Can case less ammo replace the conventional ammo in the near future? As of now case less ammo seems to have a lot of problems and are not much popular.
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I was talking to a German Army Officer just last week about the H&K G11, and the caseless ammo thing.
The German Army ordered the G11 prior to the German re-unification, The busy bee's at H&K tooled up for mass production, ordered all the raw materials and, the Government withdrew their order as they had just inherited a few AK's from NVA. The result was H&K nearly went bankrupt, but were bought out by ???, who couldn't have the G11 as the German Govt. had paid the R&D. Then about a decade or so ago, as ??? was going down the tube's a Few H&K employees were able to raise enough money to buy the company back.
He was telling me that one of his Professors has a G11, and he and the other students got to play with it, the thing that he made a point about was that the G11 is not a Squaddie gun, far to complicated for the fodder to understand, never mind have as a personal weapon. He also mentioned that there were a few problems with the ammo, being prone to cook off at far lower temps than regular ammo.
I personally have used the G36, and like it , not a lot, but I like it. The G3 I liked loads, What you have to ask yourself is why did the German Armed forces go with the G36 when the G11 was a viable alternative?
TonyYet another ex-tankie of 1 RTR origin.
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Originally posted by 7thsfsniper View PostI wonder if you would be able to load your own cartridge? I would like the idea of no brass to pick up or steel casings laying around. I won't sacrifice reliability, accuracy, or economy for that though.
The other form of caseless ammo you see is electrically fired. That ammo is a lot more stable, and less prone to cookoffs, but its also expensive and would also be difficult to make at home. It has been used in some handguns, and a bolt-action hunting rifle. I ran across maybe a thousand rounds of the hunting ammo at an auction a few years back, and most bidders had no idea what it was. Of course, most electrically fired ammo is used in automatic cannon.
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Originally posted by toemag View PostI personally have used the G36, and like it , not a lot, but I like it. The G3 I liked loads, What you have to ask yourself is why did the German Armed forces go with the G36 when the G11 was a viable alternative?Nulli Secundus
People always talk of dying for their country, and never of making the other bastard die for his
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Originally posted by Shiny Capstar View PostI never saw what all the fuss was about with the G36, its good but its not the super weapon a lot of people seem to see it as.
TonyYet another ex-tankie of 1 RTR origin.
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Originally posted by toemag View PostWhat you have to ask yourself is why did the German Armed forces go with the G36 when the G11 was a viable alternative?
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Couldn't they have used G36 with case less ammo?My Mantra
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Originally posted by GraniteForge View PostThe other form of caseless ammo you see is electrically fired. That ammo is a lot more stable, and less prone to cookoffs, but its also expensive and would also be difficult to make at home. It has been used in some handguns, and a bolt-action hunting rifle. I ran across maybe a thousand rounds of the hunting ammo at an auction a few years back, and most bidders had no idea what it was. Of course, most electrically fired ammo is used in automatic cannon.My Mantra
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Originally posted by iar1 View PostWasn't it due to the design of the rifle? G11 was designed as a bullpup, a type of gun which doesn't have too many supporters (Steyr AUG is an exception), and G36 is a conventional rifle.
Couldn't they have used G36 with case less ammo?
Snipe, As to making your own ammo, if I remember rightly, that wasn't a doable thing as the mags came preloaded.
TonyYet another ex-tankie of 1 RTR origin.
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Originally posted by toemag View PostSnipe, As to making your own ammo, if I remember rightly, that wasn't a doable thing as the mags came preloaded.
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Pre-loaded mags, whats next, valet tank parking?:P
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Originally posted by iar1 View PostI believe an Australian company is working on such kind of ammo. As of now such ignition system is only being used for grenade launchers, and development of similar technology for assault rifles is still in the nascent stage.
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Originally posted by iar1 View PostYeah! Thats the one. They have described there technology here:
http://www.metalstorm.com/content/view/64/109/
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