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    Forgive a dumb question who is totally ignorant on this matter but what DOR posted seems reasonable.

    Can you explain why it's a bad idea, Colonel?

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    About 15 years ago, they started something called Brigadization, trying to replace a division with a brigade; mainly taking a division, subtract 2 combat regiments out, and let the remaining regiment keep half of the division's logistics BUT they kept the taskings the same. What they learned was that no single re-enforced regiment can do the job of 3 regiments no matter how well supplied it was. They eventually was forced back to division. The poor brigade HQ was overtasked and had insufficient supplies to do the job of a division.

    Simple math didn't even occurred to the PLA. If you taking half the supplies away and cut two thirds of your combat power, you're going to do less than half of what the division used to do.

    A quick look at any of the Cat A Group Armies (and they are Group Armies, not Corps) showed that none of the divisions are in a position to take the artillery, engineering, service brigades. Simply put, a re-enforced division is not going to do the job of an army.

    Correction: About 25 years ago. This was the 90s.
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    in short it requires a complete rebuild from ground-up. they're trying to change from a Soviet system to a US-style system but while it's a bit easier to change headquarter responsibilities and titles at the MND, it's a lot harder to do it with operational units.
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    Another reorganization, or rehashing old news?
    http://chinaplus.cri.cn/news/politic...0418/3175.html

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    recently wrote an article for War on the Rocks regarding military diplomacy with the PLA.

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/03/wh...-chinese-army/
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    recently wrote an article for War on the Rocks regarding military diplomacy with the PLA.

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/03/wh...-chinese-army/
    I read that.
    Nice tone and structure, in addition to being a fascinating view from inside the fishbowl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    recently wrote an article for War on the Rocks regarding military diplomacy with the PLA.

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/03/wh...-chinese-army/
    Excellent article, fascinating and well sourced!
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    recently wrote an article for War on the Rocks regarding military diplomacy with the PLA.

    https://warontherocks.com/2018/03/wh...-chinese-army/
    Part i liked in this article got nthing to do with military and more to do with anthropology

    Chinese culture as a whole is very high-context, reliant on nonverbal communication and understandings developed over a long period of time. Flattery, cajolery, and fulsome phrases are used with acquaintances, but genuine expressions of emotion are almost never used — even with loved ones and relatives. Ultimately, this use of “friend” is meant to draw you into a facsimile of social obligation, with the demands becoming greater depending on the level of your “friendship.”
    The linked article to high vs low context cultures is very interesting. The above quote applies to most non-western cultures. The challenges of making relations between east and west. Imagine how much more conflicted east - east relations can be.

    So was the link on drinking : D

    Remember Your ABCs: If for some reason you are having difficulty finding a starting point, then begin with your ABCs:

    Kenneth Allen,

    Dennis Blasko, and

    Bernard “Bud” Cole.

    These three former military officers offer some of the best analysis available on the PLA Air Force (PLAAF), the PLA Ground Forces, and the PLA Navy (PLAN), respectively. In addition to bringing their military expertise to bear on the challenges of evaluating a foreign military, all three have voluminous publication records. This is not to say that talent is in short supply coming up; one need look no further than the prolific

    Andrew Erickson on the PLAN,

    Michael Chase on the Second Artillery (China’s conventional and strategic rocket forces),

    Daniel Hartnett on military policy, and

    Timothy Heath on party-army relations among many others.

    However, chances are if a journal article or book does not make at least a nod to the ABCs of PLA studies, then it should be viewed with suspicion.
    Those are the sources to follow
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    The China Leadership Monitor is the only thing I have time for at Stanford’s Hoover Institution. It is excellent (and free) for those of us into elite Chinese politics.

    And Then There Were Seven: The New, Slimmed-Down Central Military Commission
    by James Mulvenon, Wednesday, May 16, 2018

    In October 2017 at the first plenary session of the 19th Central Committee, Chinese state media announced the lineup of the new Central Military Commission (CMC). While a smaller CMC had been rumored in the weeks prior, the new configuration shattered previous paradigms of military leadership. Not only was the number of members reduced from 11 to 7, but there was a wholesale change in the assignment of seats by office, reflecting the tectonic changes from the PLA’s massive reorganization discussed in CLM 49. This article examines the transition, analyzes the individuals chosen and the logic for their selection, and assesses the implications for party-Army relations.

    https://www.hoover.org/research/and-...ary-commission
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