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  • ATF wants to destroy

    http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...ro_captur.html

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  • #2
    At the time of its donation, there were NO laws requiring registration of machine guns. The museum should have registered it however when the 1934 Federal Firearms act was passed. But museum curators are not necessarily lawyers but archeologists.

    The BATFE should allow the benifit of the doubt considering the historical significance of the gun and the latest revision allows ownership of machineguns made before 1945 if you have a collector's license.

    The museum needs a good lawyer who knows about gun laws.
    Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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    • #3
      That jacka$$ from the ATF needs to learn some history.
      "Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories." Thomas Jefferson

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shamus View Post
        That jacka$$ from the ATF needs to learn some history.
        The ATF should be disbanded.

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        • #5
          Too many "hot shots wannabes" join the BATFE because of its power. Some years ago, one whiz kid tried to confiscate the Battleship Massachuessets because the museum running it had no license for the "destructive devices" (main and secondary batteries) on board. This was in accordance with President Johnson's 1968 Federal Firearms act that any gun over .50 caliber was a destructive device.

          However, the fine print reads "that can fire pre-fixed ammunition". That is powder case, powder, primer and bullet already put together.

          BUT, the 5"/38's use SEMI-fixed ammunition and the propellent case and projectile are loaded separately on the ramming slide.

          The 16"/45's are SEMI-fixed throughout. The primer is inserted in the breech block separately. the projectile is rammed in all by itself. Then powder bags are pushed into the chamber before the breech closes.

          And what museum has the budget to fire them anyway? And at what?

          Okay then, what about the 40mm and 20mm guns? I can just see them now hunking a quad 40 onto a flat bed truck so they can hold up a 7-11.

          Also the ship was still under the Navy caveat that it must remain in proper condition should it need to be recalled in case of a National emergency. Technically, the Mamie was still a Navy ship and not totally privately owned.

          Even then, it's just a case of applying for a Federal Firearms COLLECTORS License to keep the guns on board.

          There is a war museum in Norfolk, VA that has quite a number of cannons and machineguns on display (including a 19th century Gatling Gun). All are registered but the BATFE is constantly making inspections of the guns, their paperwork, records of transfer, origins of donations, etc.

          They have far too many of them with nothing else better to do than harass museums and legitimate collector displays.

          They should be used instead inspecting container ships coming in from foreign countries. Not too long ago Customs agents found a large shipment of AK-47 type rifles being smuggled in. They sure can use the help inspecting more containers.
          Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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          • #6
            Laughable.

            Just what would SGT York, and the other vets think of how the country that they and their comrades gave so much for has turned out.

            Tony.
            Yet another ex-tankie of 1 RTR origin.

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            • #7
              I have an idea: put ATF agents on the border to look for illegal guns. They just might find a few firing at them.
              "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post

                The 16"/45's are SEMI-fixed throughout. The primer is inserted in the breech block separately. the projectile is rammed in all by itself. Then powder bags are pushed into the chamber before the breech closes.
                Gotta be picky here.

                They are Separate loading not semifixed

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                • #9
                  G.G. Reply

                  Thank you for upholding standards of cannon ammunition terminology.

                  So few care.

                  A distinct few whom are part of the inner sanctum feel differently.

                  I'm appreciative. It matters.:)
                  "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski
                  "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what you share with someone else when you're uncool." Lester Bangs

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                  • #10
                    I just thought it was pointy end goes in first.

                    As for the ATF agent, who is this person's supervisor?
                    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                    Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Would you tolerate an Iraq/Afghanistan veteran trying to smuggle war booty weapons back (as has happened)?
                      HD Ready?

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