I thought that was in fact what you were doing.
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Old World Order, we're not big on pissing contests here. the Major has made it plain what information he's after and 'that's what you are, what am I' doesn't add anything to that.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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I sorry? Telling someone that they have nothing to add and that they're wasting bandwidth isn't trying to promote a pissing contest? If "the Major" is upset that his initial post and topic title implied that one technique would be most effective to various subjects, in various situations, with various intelligence both known and unknown, it's his problem and only his.
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Originally posted by Old World Order View PostI sorry? Telling someone that they have nothing to add and that they're wasting bandwidth isn't trying to promote a pissing contest? If "the Major" is upset that his initial post and topic title implied that one technique would be most effective to various subjects, in various situations, with various intelligence both known and unknown, it's his problem and only his.Originally posted by Shek View PostIt's not obvious at all. In fact, it's just as likely that the implication is that it's situationally dependent. When you read the thread, the tone isn't in support of a single one size fits all solution. So your obvious implication is even less obvious. You'd do well to minimize reading too much into things. Swinging at strawman isn't very effective ;)
If your aim is nothing but pedantry over the exact title of the thread when it's intent has been made plain to you, what are you bothering to post for?
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Originally posted by Old World Order View Post"the Major"
Shek IIRC, was a Captain of a Stryker Brigade in Iraq, a Westpoint lecturer in economics and is currently still in uniform, lurking with intent somewhere in Washington DC. Yourself?In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostShek made it plain what his query was about well prior to any post by you and reiterated it in the above post.
If your aim is nothing but pedantry over the exact title of the thread when it's intent has been made plain to you, what are you bothering to post for?
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We take the Military Professional label very seriously indeed.
Shek IIRC, was a Captain of a Stryker Brigade in Iraq, a Westpoint lecturer in economics and is currently still in uniform, lurking with intent somewhere in Washington DC. Yourself?
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Old World Order
You may want to look at the little titles under the names.
There is a long and vigorous vetting process for individuals to earn those monikers.
Shek is an active duty Infantry Officer who commanded a company in combat and is currently a strategic planner on the Amry Staff.
Me? I was an Infantry and Quartermaster Officer an then a Defense Contractor before I became a Federal Service Civilian Employee...hence while I get the Military Professional and Defense Professional titles.
We tend to take this stuff seriously. Not because we think so well of ourselves but it tends to keep the foodfights to a dull roar.
Pari...well, he is a moderator so ticking him off will lead to a short stay in this neighborhood.
We like strong, considered and well argued arguments on this board.
If you come across as someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, you will get called on it.
It sounds like you have an interesting background as an MI NCO....how about you introduce yourself and let us know about you.Last edited by Albany Rifles; 12 Feb 10,, 04:17.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Old World Order View PostI simply responded to the title of the thread and the first post. Ostensibly, that was a problem? Enough of a problem that Shek wanted to get smarmy, and, I guess, when I got smarmy back we needed moderator to come in and chastise (one of) us.
Originally posted by Shek View PostNo, the thread doesn't assume one tactic will always be the most effective. However, there's a clear theme that there's a class of techniques that are far less effective than others if not completely ineffective.
Your reply however was.
Originally posted by Old World Order View PostUhhh...when a thread is entitled "Most Effective Interrogation Technique" there is obviously the implication that one technique will be most effective. Don't insult people's intelligence, please.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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You may see it as condenscension...the grey beards see it as a continuous process of keeping the threads clean.
You came in with strong opinion earned professionally...great. But if you don't share your background your opinion will not be taken seriously on such a serious topic.
Not saying you don't have valid points or something to add to the discussion.
Shek is a very big boy and can handle his own battles.
I am just trying to help smooth the process.
Some folks start out rough and then abide by the framework of how we discuss things.
Others don't and are sent packing.
You decide...I believe you have a lot to add to the discussion.“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
Mark Twain
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Originally posted by Albany Rifles View PostYou may see it as condenscension...the grey beards see it as a continuous process of keeping the threads clean.
You came in with strong opinion earned professionally...great. But if you don't share your background your opinion will not be taken seriously on such a serious topic.
Not saying you don't have valid points or something to add to the discussion.
Shek is a very big boy and can handle his own battles.
I am just trying to help smooth the process.
Some folks start out rough and then abide by the framework of how we discuss things.
Others don't and are sent packing.
You decide...I believe you have a lot to add to the discussion.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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Originally posted by Old World Order View PostI sorry? Telling someone that they have nothing to add and that they're wasting bandwidth isn't trying to promote a pissing contest? If "the Major" is upset that his initial post and topic title implied that one technique would be most effective to various subjects, in various situations, with various intelligence both known and unknown, it's his problem and only his."So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
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I heard about an autobiography of a Luftwaffe interrogator who was considered top notch by his peers and he did not use violence. His job was to gleam information from shot down Allied pilots. A search did not turn up anything so I guess I will throw this book into the mix and perhaps it will be helpful.
Amazon.com: The Interrogator: The Story of Hanns Joachim Scharff: Master Interrogator of the Luftwaffe (Schiffer Military History) (9780764302619): Raymond T. Toliver, Hanns Joachim Scharff: BooksAll those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
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