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  • #46
    Originally posted by Andrey Egorov View Post
    Today some official from Investigations Committee told to Echo of Moscow radio station journalists that they found initiator of firefighting system. Some sailor said giving confessions that he activated it on purpose, without demand.
    Anyone believes this crap?
    I find that doubtfull if he was a submariner. He would have well known what would have happened had he been the one the hit the alarm button. And I certainly don't buy a lit cigarette caused it. The punishment for such an action is severe in any mans navy especially onboard a brand new sub under trials. Normally these men aboard would be a rather experienced crew. Russian or not.
    Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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    • #47
      Representative of Committee of Investigations Vladimir Markin stated that he was a sailor. His fellow-mates and even officers tell that he was expirienced sailor. And system could not be engaged by non-officer, there are three levels of protection, including 5-digit code, so no huge red alarm button...
      We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Andrey Egorov View Post
        Representative of Committee of Investigations Vladimir Markin stated that he was a sailor. His fellow-mates and even officers tell that he was expirienced sailor. And system could not be engaged by non-officer, there are three levels of protection, including 5-digit code, so no huge red alarm button...
        Not sure I'm following you here. If it couldn't be engaged by a non-officer how could it be engaged by a sailor? The majority of her crew and most boat crews would be sailors and the rest officers sort of like a 75-25% split. Unless they already had the system in stand by but then that begs the question of how he got that 5 digit code to enter. Something here isin't adding up.
        Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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        • #49
          Sure, pieces of puzzle definitily not coming together
          We're so bad, we're even bad at it

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Andrey Egorov View Post
            Sure, pieces of puzzle definitily not coming together
            Guessing perhaps time shall tell the truth. The system itself would have been tested either during the building phase or in port incase the system failed they would certainly not test the system after launching a brand new sub never having tested it and take her on trials. Something definately went wrong for an accident like this to happen with a fire extinguishing system.
            Last edited by Dreadnought; 14 Nov 08,, 15:33.
            Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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            • #51
              Latest in news is heading two ways.

              "Official" sources are stating the sailor concerned is undergoing psychiatric evaluation...

              Connected naval experts however are pointing to a computer system.
              Apparently a new computer system was used to automate the fire control system, & their were reports of trouble with it in tests at the docks.
              Yet they went ahead with sea-going trials anyway (pressure not to fall behind further in time schedules?).

              Also not explained so far is what so many shipyard workers were doing on the boat without proper submarine training...
              Again, perhaps pressure not to fall behind further in time schedules?

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              • #52
                Indian navy on fact finding mission to moscow

                11/26/2008 8:30:51 PM






                An Indian Navy delegation travelled here on a fact-finding mission following an accident onboard a Russian nuclear submarine that was to be leased to it, even as shipbuilders blamed the inherent flaws of central control panel of the vessel for the mishap.

                They also said "serious work" was required to make its fire-extinguishing system "foolproof".

                "New modification of 'Molibden' central control panel is under trial on board the Nerpa (submarine), for the Indian variant. This is a 'raw' system, which even before had malfunctioned," mechanical engineer of the Amur Shipyard Sergei Stolnikov told popular youth daily 'Komsomolskaya Pravda'.

                A high-level delegation led by Vice Chief of Naval Staff, Vice Admiral Raman Prem Suthan, is here on a fact-finding mission as the Akula-II class nuclear attack submarine was to be leased to the Indian Navy sometime in next summer.

                Stolnikov, who was member of the pre-delivery trial team of the shipyard, 17 technical staff of which were among the casualties caused by the release of fire suppressing toxic Freon gas, believes that the control system was probably "raw", because its developer had died this summer and for three months the system was unattended.

                "Just before the (sea going) trials it was believed to have been put in order: I think, on November 8 the fire safety system was triggered due to malfunctioning of 'Molibden'," he added.

                In an interview to 'Komsomolskaya Pravda', Gennady Bagin, Director of 'Vostok' plant, a unit of Amur Shipyard, said "Molibden-I" (Indian variant), which is a centralised control system of the entire vessel, requires serious improvement, specially its fire-control system and sensors need to be made "foolproof".

                A sailor of the crew has been charged with "tempering" the temperature gauge of the fire-control system in the sleeping compartment of the submarine, resulting in the deaths of 20 people and injuries to 21 in the Russian Navy's worst accident since August 2000, when 118 submariners on board the Kursk had died.

                "The sensor panels (of fire-safety system) are not even covered with traditional protective glass, which has to be broken before activating it. Besides this the Central Command post can not see anyone manipulating the sensor panels in the compartments. This is a designer's flaw and needs to be rectified," the shipyard official said.

                (Agencies)
                http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=21886 .

                two things come out from this report one that the russians are giving us the akula second they are giving us a badly designed akula.

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                • #53
                  Which gives creedence that it dont pay to be a bubblehead in the russian submarine forces and beneficiaries of their equipment deserve to be on their guard.;)
                  Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                  • #54
                    The Russian K-152 Nerpa suffered an accident when it was conducting an underwater test run in the Pacific Ocean causing the death of 20 men of 208 aboard. The Nerpa is an Akula-class nuclear-powered attack submarine.

                    There is an Even Worse Submarine Accident with Russian -All 118 men aboard the K-141 Kursk perished when the Russian nuclear submarine sank in the Barents Sea on 12 August 2000.

                    Russia holds two places in the list of Worlds worst submarine disasters while United states is in first place : USS Thresher (SSN-593) sank while conducting deep-diving tests southeast of Cape Cod on the 10th of April 1963. The accident, which took the lives of all 129 men onboard, remains the highest ever submarine death toll in history.

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                    • #55
                      Whatever the kittens done wrong to you we were innocent.
                      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                      • #56
                        The Gunny must be close by....
                        sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...

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                        • #57
                          What about K-19 (Hiroshima)? K-84 Ekaterinburg? K-159, mult radiation leaks, finally sinks with towing crew onboard and radioactive waste? K-129, lost with all hands? K-414 Daniil Moskovsky- fire breaks out while underway, killing 2 sailors. No, I'd rather take my chances in an American sub any day of the week.

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