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    TYREE: A new look at Cuba
    Benjamin P. Tyree
    Friday, October 10, 2008 .


    Whether John McCain or Barack Obama is elected president, a new administration next year will provide an opportunity to reboot America's relationships with a number of foreign nations, including our near neighbor Cuba.

    Mr. Obama has favored engagement with foreign nations, even those with whom we profoundly disagree. Mr. McCain, despite his personal mistreatment by Vietnamese communists as a prisoner of war, was a leader in re-establishing and normalizing our relations with Vietnam. In this, he showed remarkable forbearance and a forward-looking attitude that could serve him well with regard to Cuba.

    We doubtless will continue to have profound philosophical and policy differences with the Castro government. But the island nation 90 miles away from Florida seems in a state of flux both because of the altered world climate and the long and serious illness of Fidel Castro and his replacement as president by his brother Raul. These changes may not portend a near-term or sudden collapse of the communist regime but they do provide a once-in-a-generation opportunity to re-evaluate and reset our modus vivendi with regard to Cuba.

    Tied as the Cuban government is in economics and political sentiment with other radical Latin American regimes and with communist China, the Castro regime has not lost all opportunity to sow mischief in the Western Hemisphere. But thus far we are in a position to seek a new understanding with our provocative neighbors.

    Why should we do so, when we can afford to simply cold-shoulder this small country - with a population and land mass about the size of Pennsylvania? What would make us bend our intransigent attitude toward Cuba as we have in the past toward the vaster and much more formidable and potentially problematic Russia and Communist China?

    The lessons of the last eight or more years should have instructed us that it is better to have nontoxic rather than hateful relations with other nations, especially those nearby. It is better still to have good relations. It is also better to have a relationship and a dialogue rather than minimal or no contact at all. This is basic to a rational working of the international system.

    It also follows that as much as many of us might wish otherwise, we have not materially weakened the grip of Cuba's rulers but only deepened the economic difficulties of its population. These, after all, are the relatives and friends of the Cuban-American community. And this stiffened policy has split opinion within that community as never before.

    Next, the potentially significant development of oil resources in the Cuban straits poses another question for us: Why are we leaving the economic opportunities in Cuba as an open field to other state actors, such as China, when as Cuba's next-door neighbor we are the logical market and source of capital investment and even agricultural exports? We may already have missed the bus in important ways. Canada and Spain are working there on tourism and retirement opportunities. Venezuela and China have replaced the Soviets as sources of economic support.

    A step toward normalized relations places America in a better position to mentor political and economic development on the island in the post-Castro era. Such a step would fit seamlessly into an effort to establish more positive relations within our Hemisphere, especially with states to our south that have often bridled at the overshadowing power of their northern neighbor.

    What should we do? This writer agrees with comments made in recent years by our former U.S. representative in Cuba, Vicki Huddleston, that the first positive step should be to walk the cat back in our relations with Cuba to the relatively more permissive regime followed by President Clinton in the latter half of his administration (when some sanctions were imposed following the 1996 downing, with four fatalities, over Cuba of two civilian anti-Castro aircraft out of Florida).

    And as Mrs. Huddleston wrote in the Miami Herald this spring: "Removing the barriers to communications and to normal diplomatic relations are not concessions as some would claim. Rather, they are practical initiatives that will reduce the dependence of the Cuban people on the Cuban state by providing them with alternative sources of information and resources to improve their daily lives."

    The Bush administration took the regrettable steps of tightening further still any contacts between the United States and Cuba, of making exchanges between scholars and cultural groups more difficult, of reducing the frequency of permitted visits even of American citizens of Cuban origin or ancestry with their relatives on the island, and of restricting, at least putatively, the flow of remittances from Cuban-Americans to their relatives on the island. All this has wreaked hardship on the ordinary people of Cuba without a noticeable diminution of the Castro government's control in Cuba.

    As we seek to roll back to where we were prior to 2001, and perhaps further still eventually, we should expect reciprocity from Cuba's government. We should proceed softly and slowly and from a position of strength but with positive intentions and a desire to find the most constructive possible relationship.

    We should further quietly urge that the Cuban government reconsider some basic internal policies of its own. Obviously, there is the matter of measures taken against internal dissidents. A more permissive attitude on the part of the authorities, taken at their own initiative and without tub-thumping demands from us, should be met with reciprocal relaxations of restrictions on our part.

    However, there is as yet no basis for fully according Havana all it would seek from us. Cuba has made clear its desire is not only to see the U.S. "embargo" lifted but normal trade established with credits from the U.S. government, as is done with other countries.

    Cuba's credit history has not always been what one would wish for. And allowing U.S. companies to find their own way and at their own risk in trade with Cuba would place them in an unequal relationship with a sovereign state. We want to be sensible, especially after the recent economic trauma effected in this country by our banking system's embrace of bad private credit risks.

    Cuba has a compelling need of its own to rehabilitate its economic practices and establish a pattern of reliable repayment and dependability not always evident even in its relations with the friendliest of countries over the years.

    Cuba's leaders would do well to go back to school not only on the theory of political dissent as a safety valve and a source of regenerative ideas but on basic enterprise economics. They might revisit the example of how China achieved its own dynamic growth by creatively departing from communist dogma.

    The need for infusions of private investment requires an understanding of how this best works, with values supported by transferrable and amortizable ownership. That is ultimately an internal matter for the Cubans, and some economic texts are available if they care to investigate the matter further. Hmmmm. Maybe we should take another look at them, too.

    Benjamin P. Tyree is deputy editor of the Commentary pages of The Washington Times.

    Washington Times - TYREE: A new look at Cuba
    Should the US make peace and take the world in its fold and shove them into the eager hands of their rivals with its consequences?

    That is the question.


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

  • #2
    Originally posted by Ray View Post
    Should the US make peace and take the world in its fold and shove them into the eager hands of their rivals with its consequences?

    That is the question.
    We should have invaded a long time ago.
    [SIGPIC]

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    • #3
      We should normalize relations with Cuba. We need to get over it and stop catering to ex-Cuban patriots.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Akaloc View Post
        We should have invaded a long time ago.

        Is there any need to?

        US should try to normalise its relation by taking active part in cubas economic and political devlopment,which is know being heavily by china n venezuela.

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        • #5
          A surprising and somewhat chastened perspective

          This is a rather surprising, and, indeed, in some ways chastened look at US policy toward Cuba, coming as it did in light of today's rather tarnished appearance for U.S. of capitalism as the mandatory and universally-applicable model for the way humanity should function.

          And though the author suggests Cuba would do better with a Chinese-style economic system, he even notes that some of the policies the UNITED STATES has long insisted on might need a second look, too.

          The author is also worried that Cuba might somehow find a solution to some of its economic problems through the expansion of its own domestic oil production, which, even at today's less-inflated price, remains one which can and which is drawing in foreign investors not as set on the overthrow of Cuba's government as Washington still is.

          The world has long rejected Washington's policy toward the Cuban government, but some now are beginning to see that U.S. policy is, indeed, harmful to the very interests of the United States itself.

          This opinion isn't expressed explicitly, as it did in that terrific Christian Science Monitor commentary recently, but the idea that The United States has something to gain by a normalization of its relations with Cuba is getting some surprising traction in perhaps unexpected places, such as in the WASHINGTON TIMES.


          Walter Lippmann
          Los Angeles, California

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          • #6
            Originally posted by diago View Post
            Is there any need to?

            US should try to normalise its relation by taking active part in cubas economic and political devlopment,which is know being heavily by china n venezuela.
            What I'm saying is the US should have never allowed a next door neighbor that is hostile to it in the first place. We went into Vietnam, but stayed out of Cuba? Ridiculous.

            As for for resuming normal relations, maybe, but only when the bastard is good and dead. Hell, I'd wait for Raul kick the bucket too.
            [SIGPIC]

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            • #7
              Even after the Castro brothers are dead and gone, there are enough communists to follow the current path Cuba has set out on.

              It would possibly be better to have a thaw and let the Americans 'invade' as tourists and the people will get exposed to the US way of life and may even demand a change.


              "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

              I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

              HAKUNA MATATA

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ray View Post
                Even after the Castro brothers are dead and gone, there are enough communists to follow the current path Cuba has set out on.

                It would possibly be better to have a thaw and let the Americans 'invade' as tourists and the people will get exposed to the US way of life and may even demand a change.

                Ray,

                We already do. Just have to go to one of the South American countries first.
                They don't even stamp your passport. That way you don't get arrested when you return to the States.

                Its past time to normalize relations with the people of Cuba. Just about all the local workers are retiring at Gitmo. We need young people to work on base.:))

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                • #9
                  GG,

                  You mean that Americans first go to a South American country and then go to Cuba without a visa and it works out?

                  Great! :))


                  "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                  I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                  HAKUNA MATATA

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ray View Post
                    Even after the Castro brothers are dead and gone, there are enough communists to follow the current path Cuba has set out on.

                    It would possibly be better to have a thaw and let the Americans 'invade' as tourists and the people will get exposed to the US way of life and may even demand a change.
                    Absolutely right. The Cubans who stayed on the Island are not going to welcome their "cousins" who left for the States when times got rough. A reality check is needed for those folks in South Florida.

                    PS. I am Cuban.:)
                    _________________

                    Deo Vindice

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                    • #11
                      I don't think you or other Cuban origin Americans would like to return. ;) :))


                      "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                      I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                      HAKUNA MATATA

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                      • #12
                        Cuba discovers large amounts of oil...
                        ... and suddenly a Cuba-US re-alignment is now being seriously backed in the corridors of power in Washington.

                        Is anyone here remotely suprised...


                        My take, if the US keeps trying to pull the moral high-ground b*llsh*t, Cuba will just sign up joint production deals with China or France, & venezuela or Brazil.

                        Bit hard the pull the moral highground with a country in which you are illegally detaining prisoners & performing "enhanced interrogation techniques" on.

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                        • #13
                          Fidel's choice
                          By Andrew Small and Carolina Ferrer Rincon
                          Thursday, November 27, 2008
                          http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/...on/edsmall.php
                          It was once said of Fidel Castro that his "stomach is in Moscow but his heart is in Beijing." Now the opposite seems to be true.

                          Dmitry Medvedev's trip to Cuba this week may have the geopolitical dazzle, but nowadays it is China that does more to pay the bills.

                          When Hu Jintao visited the ailing former Cuban leader last week, Castro was happy to receive Beijing's largesse. But the problem for Cuba has been Castro's unwillingness to take Chinese lessons. Hu's trip, 30 years after Deng Xiaoping launched China's reforms, was a vivid reminder that for all the speculation about Raúl, the prospects for a similar process in Cuba are dim as long as Fidel remains on the scene.

                          Medvedev will find the elder Castro in a Russophile mood. In his new post-presidential incarnation as a columnist-***-blogger, Fidel's paeans to the Russian Orthodox Church ("a spiritual force...not an ally of imperialism") have been only its most recent - and strangest - manifestation.

                          In July, he gave cryptic endorsement to suggestions from Russian air force officials in the newspaper Izvestia that strategic bombers could be deployed to Cuba. Soon afterwards, he went beyond the Cuban government's official line to give his unequivocal support to Moscow over the Georgia conflict.

                          China may not take part in the anti-American nose-thumbing that Castro enjoys. It even refused to develop a free-trade zone on the north side of the island for fear that it would antagonize the United States. But the numbers count. As well as being one of Cuba's leading creditors, Beijing is already Cuba's second largest trading partner, narrowly behind Venezuela and a more reliable long-term bet than Hugo Chávez's petro-solidarity.

                          Russia barely makes the top 10. The last Russian president to visit the island, Vladimir Putin, closed down Moscow's military intelligence-gathering facility at Lourdes in 2002. With it went the $200 million annual lease.

                          Hu was quick to drop in on the former Soviet base during his previous visit, where a more innocuous-sounding "University of Information Sciences" was established with Chinese equipment. Modern Chinese buses now compete for space on Havana's streets with 1950s Cadillacs.

                          But on the question of Cuba following a "China model," there is a fraternal split. In his early days in power, Fidel Castro was thought to have the greater affinity for Beijing of the Castro brothers. Both used to arrive unannounced at the Chinese Embassy to demand food from the chefs and to remain there, talking long into the night.

                          The break with China in favor of a more powerful and generous Soviet benefactor appeared a pragmatic rather than an ideological choice. Even after denouncing Mao Zedong as a "senile idiot," Castro's "revolutionary offensive" continued to draw its inspiration from Mao's Cultural Revolution.

                          Relations were patched up following a visit by a senior Chinese official, Qian Qichen, at the peak of the Tiananmen crisis and Cuba's desperate need for support after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

                          But Fidel Castro never reconciled himself with Deng's reforms (he once called Deng a "caricature of Hitler"). Castro seemed uninterested by his visits to the showcase cities of Shenzhen, Guangzhou and Shanghai. There are stories that on a trip to Cuba in 1993, Communist party chief Jiang Zemin stayed up late into the night at his hotel preparing more convincing accounts of the "socialist nature" of China's reforms for the skeptical Cuban president.

                          The big hope for the Chinese was Raúl Castro. His lengthy tours of China featured a string of meetings to discuss lessons for Cuba from the Chinese experience. He invited a key aide to the former Chinese premier, Zhu Rongji, to lecture Cuban officials on China's economic reforms. And it was under Raúl's supervision that liberalizing experiments were undertaken in Cuban military enterprises.

                          So when Fidel stepped down, speculation was rife that a more pragmatic, Chinese-style economic opening was on its way. But reforms have been modest: a little loosening of agricultural markets; some greater freedom to purchase electronic equipment; the abolition of restrictions on Cubans entering international hotels.

                          There is speculation that the slow pace of change has been due to Raúl's reluctance to weaken his own political base - the military holding companies that dominate the economy. But much of the evidence points to Fidel's shadow.

                          Either way, external conditions are sharpening the choices. The financial crisis has given Cuba little room for anti-capitalist schadenfreude. Demand has weakened for nickel, Cuba's key export. Its leading benefactor, Venezuela, is taking a hit with plummeting oil prices. Other hoped-for anti-American allies, such as Iran and Russia, have emptier pockets too. Credit for Cuba is drying up and debt payments are being rescheduled. All this has come on top of the worst hurricane season in decades, which wiped over 10 percent off Cuba's GDP.

                          In Barack Obama, the Castros face an American president whom they will have a hard time blaming for Cuba's woes. It may come hard for Fidel, but he may finally have to face the fact that Chinese medicine is the most palatable option for communist regimes that want to extend their lease on life.

                          Andrew Small is a trans-Atlantic fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. Carolina Ferrer Rincon was a foreign-policy assistant at the fund.
                          Last edited by Parihaka; 01 Dec 08,, 05:17.
                          “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ray View Post
                            ...You mean that Americans first go to a South American country and then go to Cuba without a visa and it works out?
                            Or Canada.

                            If you are American, they give you a visa that slips into your passport instead of a stamp. Then you just toss it when you leave.

                            The US should normalize relations with Cuba, should have been done 15 years ago imo.
                            "We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008

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                            • #15
                              Invade with tourists, Coca Cola, and Big Macs. We might even be able to sell a few Chevys and Fords down there.
                              "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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