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    Sino US Military Exchanges

    China cancels, postpones military exchanges with US: Pentagon


    WASHINGTON - China has canceled or postponed several military exchanges with the United States in protest against a proposed 6.5 billion dollar arms sale to Taiwan, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

    "The Chinese reaction is unfortunate and results in missed opportunities," said Major Stuart Upton.

    Upton said senior level visits and exchanges involving humanitarian assistance and disaster relief issues that had been scheduled to take place before the end of November were canceled or postponed.

    The Pentagon notified Congress Friday of 6.5 billion dollars in proposed arms sales to Taiwan, including advanced Patriot missile defenses, Apache attack helicopters and submarine-launched anti-ship missiles.

    Chinese officials in Washington and Beijing "responded with displeasure to the US announcement," Upton said.

    "PRC officials have informed us that US-Chinese bilateral events may be affected," he said.

    Upton said there has been no change in US policy on arms sales to Taiwan and that the United States had faithfully abided by the US Taiwan Relations Act which provides for sales of defensive weapons to Taipei.

    "We feel that the global security environment calls for US and PRC officials to maintain close relations to address common security challenges," he said.

    "Uncertainty over the motivations and direction of China's military expansion leads others to hedge," he said. "This could lead to a security environment less favorable to China's interests, the region's, and our own."

    In protesting the proposed sales on Saturday, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao warned it would damage Sino-US relations, and called on Washington to call them off.

    Liu said the sales would grossly interfere in China's internal affairs, endanger national security and disturb the peaceful development of cross-strait relations, he added.

    "It is only natural that this move would stir up strong indignation of the Chinese government and people," he said, according to Xinhua.

    "We sternly warn the United States that there is only one China in the world, and that Taiwan is a part of China," Liu said.

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    It seems that the foreign minister is threatening the US..are there any grounds that the PRC feels advantageous now to threaten a superpower? though we know PRC has made tremendous development ranging from economy to military..but the question is if those changes give assurances for them to shake the US?
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    Inexplicable. Maybe they are retaliating incessant US demands to adjust the Renminbi?
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    I doubt it is much more than the usual Chinese angry reaction to the US selling weapons to the Taiwanese. They kick up a fuss when anyone sells to them, thats one reason why Taiwan has such a hard time getting anyone to sell to them these days.

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    triple C,

    remember this?

    A chill just ran down my spine. Can you confirm or deny if the ROC government want to buy arms?
    military wants to, government is ambivalent, US is offering training. of course what arms and what training is classified.

    however, it's clear to the taiwanese that we've gone out of our way to ensure they don't feel abandoned. as you can guess, they're rather appreciative.
    remember, you heard it here first.
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    by the way,

    the chinese were really unhappy with this one- they canceled more than just "a few". it's making life hell for me right now. man, i love the PRC.
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    Honestly, couldn't the ROC MoD have asked for something more useful than attack helicopters? If the PLA makes a landing, the Chinese will already have air superiority and the Apaches can't very well go and attack the mainland or PLAN ships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skywatcher View Post
    Honestly, couldn't the ROC MoD have asked for something more useful than attack helicopters? If the PLA makes a landing, the Chinese will already have air superiority and the Apaches can't very well go and attack the mainland or PLAN ships.
    Hmmm, looks like you are close to the true meaning of this transaction .

    Pay the gangster to get the protection you need, or otherwise...
    it doesn't matter what weapons Taiwan gets

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    triple C,

    remember, you heard it here first.
    That's why I hang arround here
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    skywatcher,

    Honestly, couldn't the ROC MoD have asked for something more useful than attack helicopters?
    they did and they got refused. the chinese, despite being complete annoyances, are being less annoying than usual because of that.


    If the PLA makes a landing, the Chinese will already have air superiority and the Apaches can't very well go and attack the mainland or PLAN ships.
    not necessarily true on both counts. i suggest you look into ROC defense doctrine.
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    rich,

    we don't need your stupidity here, bye
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    skywatcher,

    they did and they got refused. the chinese, despite being complete annoyances, are being less annoying than usual because of that.

    not necessarily true on both counts. i suggest you look into ROC defense doctrine.
    Any links, please? Using Apaches to go hunt for PRC mobile ballistic missile launchers sounds like a very bad idea and getting into an argument with 054A is a very bad idea.

    Thanks.

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    Why would the Apache ever go TELAR hunting, and why would it have no chance against the 054A? The Apaches would most conceivably be used as a quick reaction force against an amphibious assault. It's survivability is not nil under such circumstances. The Apache has the cover of terrain, and it has a fairly capable EW suite. On the other hand the 054A will very likely see its radar performance severely degraded by ground clutter. Getting the 054A so cose to shore in an attempt to cover the assault force seems like a worse idea, considering what it is exposing itself to.

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    skywatcher,

    to clarify- the chinese will not necessarily have air superiority in an invasion scenario, in fact, they're betting against it. and the apaches are indeed to be used against amphibious assaults, where they're actually quite useful given the enemies they'll be facing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transient View Post
    Why would the Apache ever go TELAR hunting, and why would it have no chance against the 054A? The Apaches would most conceivably be used as a quick reaction force against an amphibious assault. It's survivability is not nil under such circumstances. The Apache has the cover of terrain, and it has a fairly capable EW suite. On the other hand the 054A will very likely see its radar performance severely degraded by ground clutter. Getting the 054A so cose to shore in an attempt to cover the assault force seems like a worse idea, considering what it is exposing itself to.
    I was thinking of the Apache actually going out to hunt for the 054A on the high seas, and one also has to take Chinese airborne surveillance assets into account.

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