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Originally posted by jlvfr View PostAbout the JSF... Israel wants it, so it can't be that bad...
Israel Plans to Buy F-35s
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Originally posted by jeffpayne56 View Postget out of it asap its a big white elephant, either a sea version of the typhoon or lets buy French a lot cheaper proven a much bigger payload and all the support we want and needLast edited by Gun Grape; 04 Oct 08,, 00:43.
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Lets be clear we have very very very few carrier pilots at the moment anyway so we will have to do a lot of re training. The French planes are a god alternative for the UK and purchasing them would do a lot for the anglo french relationship.
To be honest I still wish we had the F-35CNaval Warfare Discussion is dying on WAB
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Originally posted by Stan View PostLets be clear we have very very very few carrier pilots at the moment anyway so we will have to do a lot of re training. The French planes are a god alternative for the UK and purchasing them would do a lot for the anglo french relationship.
To be honest I still wish we had the F-35C
In addition to the flight deck crews that are also untrained in conventional carrier operations.
If its all about Anglo-French relations, fine but if its about "Cost overruns" and high price of the 35B then I think its a short sighted move. One based without all the additional cost figured into the equation.
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Originally posted by Stan View PostLets be clear we have very very very few carrier pilots at the moment anyway so we will have to do a lot of re training. The French planes are a god alternative for the UK and purchasing them would do a lot for the anglo french relationship.
To be honest I still wish we had the F-35C"Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
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Originally posted by Silent Hunter View PostPossibly, yes.
If Lockmart holds good on their promises, the F-35B will come in at ~$60 Mil unit cost. The Rafale M is $67 Mil (2006 dollars).
I seriously doubt France will export SPECTRA.
Rafale is an orphan, and a 4.5 gen AC.
BAE would lose offsets on ~2000 F-35 frames. BAE's share is about 1/3 of the total manufacturing of the JSF program (excluding engines).Last edited by highsea; 03 Oct 08,, 21:11."We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
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Originally posted by highsea View PostIf Lockmart holds good on their promises, the F-35B will come in at ~$60 Mil unit cost.
The USAF FY2009 budget documentation gives a flyaway cost of $83M per unit for the total program (1,763 units), whereas the US Navy FY2009 budget documentation gives a flyaway cost of $115M per unit for the total program (680 units).
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostAbout 3 squadrons of Harriers. No idea of the actual number of pilots. But that is 3 squadrons that are capable of STOVL carrier operations. Compare that to the 0 pilots that are trained to do Conventional carrier landings.
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Originally posted by Shipwreck View PostOh come on highsea.
The USAF FY2009 budget documentation gives a flyaway cost of $83M per unit for the total program (1,763 units), whereas the US Navy FY2009 budget documentation gives a flyaway cost of $115M per unit for the total program (680 units).
Estimates of program costs when the AC isn't even to IOC will not be accurate, and budgetary costs for FY09 include such things as dev costs for F-136, as I already stated in some other thread.
Point being, EVERY foreign sale is different, and is dominated by offsets. Picking a number from ANY source will not be accurate, and the unit cost per frame will only be 40-50 percent of the contract price to the end user depending on maintenance agreements, spares, simulators, training, etc."We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way." -President Barack Obama 11/25/2008
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