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  • #91
    This AWACS is of course not useful for fighting the Talibans.

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    • #92
      as early warning, of course not, as airborne command, well, that is a different story.
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      • #93
        Can't see it, Andy. The Pakistanis have not even reached a joint force doctrine yet, let alone an application of it.

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        • #94
          Pakistan, China commit to comprehensively upgrade strategic partnership PDF Print E-mail

          Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan, China commit to comprehensively upgrade strategic partnership

          ISLAMABAD, May 15 (APP): Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir visited Beijing for the third round of Pakistan-China Strategic Dialogue held on May 12-14, 2009. The Foreign Secretary has had extensive interaction with the Chinese side, including separate meetings with State Councillor, Foreign Minister, Vice Foreign Minister and Assistant Foreign Ministers. The entire spectrum of bilateral relations was reviewed and views were exchanged on all regional and international issues of common interest.

          The Foreign Secretary conveyed the cordial greetings of Pakistani leaders to the Chinese leadership as well as special message from Prime Minister Syed Yusuf Raza Gilani for Premier Wen Jiabao. The Chinese side noted that President Zardari’s three visits to China within a short span of time since taking office were testament to Pakistan’s strong commitment to the advancement of Pakistan-China relations.

          During the strategic dialogue, both sides emphasized the deep-rooted and abiding nature of the Pakistan-China relationship serving the fundamental interests of the two peoples and the cause of peace and stability in the region and beyond. It was stressed that the security and stability of Pakistan and China was intertwined and indivisible.

          China affirmed strong support for Pakistan’s efforts to advance its core national objectives of security and economic development.

          China expressed full confidence in the national efforts of the leadership, state institutions, and people of Pakistan to address and overcome the challenges of militancy, terrorism and extremism.

          In the context of defeating the forces inimical to Pakistan’s security and social stability, China conveyed the commitment to further reinforce its political, moral and material support to Pakistan.

          China expressed full support for Pakistan’s efforts to safeguard its sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Pakistan.

          The two sides agreed to deepen and broaden the Pakistan-China strategic partnership in all aspects. They decided to undertake comprehensive and coordinated efforts to promote region-wide peace, security and stability and reiterated their determination to optimally utilize complementarities for the realization of the vision of common development and shared prosperity.

          They noted with satisfaction the growth in bilateral trade and economic cooperation through mega projects and agreed to identify pragmatic ways to intensify these bonds. China conveyed renewed assurances of continued support to the process of economic development of Pakistan.

          The Foreign Secretary conveyed deep appreciation for China’s prompt action in extending emergency relief assistance to Pakistan to meet the needs of the internally displaced people.

          As part of the strategic dialogue, the two sides also covered a broad range of regional and international issues including situation in Afghanistan, South Asia, global financial crisis, disarmament, cooperation in international fora and the UN.

          It was agreed to further pursue the process of close consultations and cooperation in all areas of common interest at the regional and global planes.

          The Foreign Secretary also met with Chairman of Board of the China Development Bank Chen Yuan. He also had interface with the Chinese think-tank community and met separately with the members of the China Institute of International Strategic Studies (CIISS) and the China People’s Institute of International Affairs (CPIFA).

          The Foreign Secretary’s delegation included Vice Chief of General Staff Major General Waheed Arshad and senior security representatives, officials from the bilateral and multilateral divisions of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and members of the Pakistan embassy in Beijing.
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          • #95
            LOL, I really don't think US needs to "appeals" to China to get involve in Pakistan.








            U.S. appeals to China to help stabilize Pakistan - Los Angeles Times

            U.S. appeals to China to help stabilize Pakistan
            Beijing, which is hesitant to get more deeply involved, is asked to provide training and even equipment to help Pakistan counter a growing militant threat.
            By Paul Richter
            May 25, 2009
            Reporting from Washington -- The Obama administration has appealed to China to provide training and even military equipment to help Pakistan counter a growing militant threat, U.S. officials said.

            The proposal is part of a broad push by Washington to enlist key allies of Pakistan in the effort to stabilize the country. The U.S. is seeking to persuade Islamabad to step up its efforts against militants, while supporting the fragile civilian government and the nation's tottering economy.



            Richard C. Holbrooke, the administration's special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan, has visited China and Saudi Arabia, another key ally, in recent weeks as part of the effort.

            The American appeal to China underscores the importance of Beijing in security issues. Washington considers China to be the most influential country for dealing with isolated, militaristic North Korea. Beijing also plays a crucial role in the international effort to pressure Iran over its nuclear program.

            China traditionally has been reluctant to intervene in the affairs of other countries. However, Chinese officials are concerned about the militant threat near its western border, fearing it could destabilize the region and threaten China's growing economic presence in Pakistan.

            A senior U.S. official acknowledged that China was hesitant to get more involved, but said, "You can see that they're thinking about it." He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the subject.

            U.S. officials believe China is skilled at counterinsurgency, a holdover of the knowledge gained during the country's lengthy civil war that ended with a communist victory in 1949. And with its strong military ties to Pakistan, U.S. officials hope China could help craft a more sophisticated strategy than Islamabad's heavy-handed approach.

            The Pakistani military has used artillery and aircraft against Taliban extremists in the Swat Valley and surrounding areas in its ongoing offensive. "They're very focused on hardware," the senior U.S. official said of the Pakistanis. But the fighting has forced more than 2 million civilians to flee, United Nations officials estimate, and a humanitarian crisis looms.

            The tide of displaced people could set off a backlash against the campaign among ordinary Pakistanis, many of whom already see the fight as driven by American, rather than Pakistani, interests.

            China's strategic alliance with Islamabad dates to the 1960s. Beijing has sold Pakistan billions of dollars' worth of military equipment, including missiles, warships, and tanks.

            China also has a huge economic presence in Pakistan. China's ambassador, Luo Zhaohui, said in a speech this month that there are an estimated 10,000 Chinese engineers and technicians working in the country.

            But Beijing is increasingly concerned about the Pakistani insurgency, in part because Muslim separatists from the northwestern Chinese region of Xinjiang inhabited by Uighurs have trained in Pakistani camps and then returned to China.

            Officials in Beijing also are concerned because of recurrent kidnappings and killings of Chinese workers in Pakistan. China has repeatedly pressed the Pakistani government to better protect its citizens.

            Analysts say the Pakistani government launched an attack on radicals in the Red Mosque in Islamabad in 2007 in part because of pressure from China after several of its citizens were briefly kidnapped by militants. More than 100 people died in the assault, and Islamic militants say it represented a turning point in their struggle against the government.

            Pakistani officials in Washington acknowledged a lengthy alliance with China.

            "Pakistan and China have a time-tested bilateral relationship and Chinese support and cooperation have been crucial for Pakistan at many difficult times in our history," said Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S. "At this moment too, we continue to look to China as a trusted friend and partner while laying the foundations of a more enduring strategic relationship with the U.S."

            Chinese officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

            Stephen Cohen, a South Asia specialist at the Brookings Institution, said China and Saudi Arabia wield more influence with Pakistan than does the United States. As a consultant to the U.S. government, Cohen has urged American officials to try to enlist Beijing's help.

            "China can be a positive influence," he said. But he added that there may be divisions within the Chinese government, and that the Chinese military, despite close ties to the Pakistani army, may be reluctant to intervene.

            Holbrooke, the U.S. envoy, visited China on April 16, and officials of both countries said then that they had agreed to work together on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

            "We came here to share views on the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan because we share a common danger, a common challenge and a common goal," Holbrooke said at the time.

            Lisa Curtis, a former congressional analyst now at the Heritage Foundation, a think tank, said it would be difficult to persuade China to assume any military role.

            But she said the Chinese are concerned about the spillover effects of the Pakistani insurgency.

            "The Chinese may try to deal with this privately," she said. "They won't want to make any public statements that might embarrass the Pakistanis."

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            • #96
              China to provide 30-mln-yuan worth humanitarian relief materials to Pakistan
              English_Xinhua 2009-05-26 19:21:52 Print

              BEIJING, May 26 (Xinhua) -- China announced here on Tuesday that it will provide 30 million yuan (about 4.4 million US dollars) in humanitarian relief materials to Pakistan to help civilians displaced by fighting between the government and the Taliban.

              "The first batch will be airlifted to Pakistan on Wednesday which include water purification equipment, power generator and medicine," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu told a regular press briefing.

              "China hopes the aid will help the Pakistani government maintain social stability," Ma added.

              China has already gave one million U.S. dollars cash in emergency humanitarian aid to Pakistan.

              "The aid is a reflection of the friendship that the Chinese people hold for the Pakistani people," Ma said, noting that, as a friendly neighbor, China pays close attention to the domestic situation in Pakistan and understands the difficulties that the country is facing in settling refugees.

              More than 1.6 million people have fled from the Swat Valley in Pakistan's North West Frontier Province where government forces have been battling armed Islamic militants for weeks.

              In addition, about 215,017 internally displaced persons have been staying at 17 relief camps, said a Pakistani official report. More than 1.4 million affected people were registered outside the camps.
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              • #97
                Is there any chance and reason if Taliban wants to expand the war to China? Can Muslim Uyghur in Xinjiang be a possible operating zone?

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                • #98
                  Not going happen, but I am sure some PAP general would welcome such a development, more chance for promotion and the government can justify their "heavy-handed" crack down on "anti-terrorism related activities" Seriously, they tired that in the 1990s and got that the PAP took care of them.
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                  • #99
                    Pak to import anti-terror equipment from China
                    12 Jun 2009, 1845 hrs IST, PTI
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                    BEIJING: Facing a tide of terrorist attacks, Pakistan has inked a key deal worth $300 million with China to import specialized mobile scanners
                    that can detect explosives from a distance.

                    "We have signed agreements worth $300 million to acquire state-of-the-art equipment to combat terrorism," Interior Minister Rehman Malik has said.

                    The first consignment of these most needed equipments, Malik said, would be reaching Pakistan within three weeks. China is one of the major suppliers of arms to Islamabad.

                    "We want to ensure that our law enforcing agencies are well equipped, so that they could thwart with full force militancy," Malik was quoted as saying by the state-run APP.

                    During talks with the Chinese leadership, Malik assured them that it was committed to defeat the evil forces of extremism, terrorism and separatism.

                    He said Pakistan would start employing these equipment in the metropolitan cities under threat of terrorism, like Islamabad, Lahore and Karachi and then gradually cover the entire country.

                    Malik said that there was some "traces" of terrorist outfit of Xinjiang-based East Turkmenistan Independence Movement (ETIM) in Pakistan's FATA area.

                    The Pakistani minister was in Beijing from June 9-12 on an official visit where he met Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei on Thursday.
                    Pak to import anti-terror equipment from China - China - World - The Times of India
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                    • This gives further information to what is reported in the earlier post.

                      Counter-Terrorism: China Wants To Help
                      [StrategyPage] June 19, 2009: The Chinese are sharing intelligence and equipment with the Pakistanis as the Pakistani Army prepares a final assault on the Taliban’s stronghold along the border with Afghanistan. Pakistan and China are teaming up to fight what government officials call a “syndicate” formed between the Taliban and Chinese Muslim separatists. Uighur separatists operate under Taliban protection maintaining training camps along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

                      In order to enhance Pakistan’s ability to police the border region, China offered to sell Pakistan $280 million in equipment. The only specifics divulged by Chinese officials are that the equipment will include vehicle and mobile scanners which will most likely be deployed to detect car bombs. The security equipment is bound for the Pakistani police as the government announced a plan to recruit 20,000 new officers in the capital.

                      The increase in Chinese support could be related to an American House request made two weeks ago that China assist Pakistan in equipping and training their counter-terrorism forces. ....

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                      • Be very careful with StrategyPage.
                        “the misery of being exploited by capitalists is nothing compared to the misery of not being exploited at all” -- Joan Robinson

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                        • This is at the recent SCO summit in Russia.

                          China offers aid to Pakistan, Hu meets C. Asian leaders
                          16 June YEKATERINBURG, Russia: China will provide additional aid to help the Pakistani government settle civilians rendered homeless in the country's recent battle with terrorists.

                          Ahead of talks at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), President Hu Jintao told his Pakistani counterpart Asif Ali Zardari that China would provide Pakistan with an additional 60 million yuan ($8.82 million).

                          China has already offered $1 million dollars in cash as well as 30 million yuan in humanitarian aid to Pakistan to help with the relocation of civilians displaced in recent months as the Pakistani army and police continue to fight terrorists and extremists. ....

                          China is willing to help the Pakistani government tackle its current challenges and maintain social stability, Hu said.

                          China appreciates Pakistan's support on issues concerning China's national security and interests and is willing to work with the international community in tackling the threat and challenges of terrorism, Hu said. ....

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                          • Originally posted by xinhui View Post
                            Be very careful with StrategyPage.
                            This is why I have this practice of making sure the name of the info source is visible out front.
                            Last edited by Merlin; 23 Jun 09,, 09:55.

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                            • Note, this backgrounder is from Council on Foreign Relations.

                              China-Pakistan Relations
                              Author:
                              Jamal Afridi

                              China-Pakistan Relations - Council on Foreign Relations


                              Updated: August 20, 2009

                              * Introduction
                              * The India Question
                              * A Deepening Military Bond
                              * Bolstering Ties
                              * The Balancing Act
                              * Regional Cooperation

                              Introduction

                              Since establishing diplomatic ties in 1951, China and Pakistan have enjoyed a close and mutually beneficial relationship. Pakistan was one of the first countries to recognize the People's Republic of China in 1950 and remained a steadfast ally during Beijing's period of international isolation in the 1960s and early 1970s. China has long provided Pakistan with major military, technical, and economic assistance, including the transfer of sensitive nuclear technology and equipment. Some experts predict growing relations between the United States and rival India will ultimately prompt Pakistan to push for even closer ties with its longtime strategic security partner, China. Others say China's increased concern about Pakistan-based insurgency groups may cause Beijing to proceed with the relationship in a more cautious manner.
                              The India Question

                              China and Pakistan have traditionally valued one another as a strategic hedge against India. "For China, Pakistan is a low-cost secondary deterrent to India," current Pakistani ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani told CFR.org in 2006, when he was a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "For Pakistan," he said, "China is a high-value guarantor of security against India." Mutual enmity between India and Pakistan dates to partition in August 1947, when Britain relinquished its claim over the Indian subcontinent and divided its former colony into two states. Since then Pakistan and India have fought three wars and a number of low-level conflicts. Tensions remain high over the disputed territory of Kashmir with periodic military posturing on both sides of the border.

                              India has long been perturbed by China's military aid to Pakistan. K. Alan Kronstadt, a specialist in South Asian affairs at the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, writes (PDF) that observers in India see Chinese support for Pakistan as "a key aspect of Beijing's perceived policy of 'encirclement' or constraint of India as a means of preventing or delaying New Delhi's ability to challenge Beijing's region-wide influence." China and India fought a border war in 1962, and both still claim the other is occupying large portions of their territory. "The 1962 Sino-Indian border conflict was a watershed moment for the region," says John W. Garver, professor of international relations at the Georgia Institute of Technology. "Both China and India incurred heavy costs on their economic development, and both sides shifted their policy over time to become more accommodating to growth."
                              A Deepening Military Bond

                              China's role as a major arms supplier for Pakistan began in the 1960s and included assistance in building a number of arms factories in Pakistan and supplying complete weapons systems. "Until about 1990," write South Asia experts Elizabeth G. M. Parker and Teresita C. Schaffer in a July 2008 CSIS newsletter (PDF), "Beijing clearly sought to build up Pakistan to keep India off balance." After the 1990 imposition of U.S. sanctions on Pakistan, China became the country's leading arms supplier. Collaboration now includes personnel training, joint military exercises, intelligence sharing, and counterterrorism efforts. While the relationship is not quite balanced, it has been critically important to Pakistan. "Pakistan needs China more than China needs Pakistan," says Huang Jing, a China expert at the National University of Singapore. Pakistan has benefited from China's assistance with the following defense capabilities:

                              * Missile: Pakistan's army has both short- and medium-range ballistic missiles, such as the Shaheen missile series, that experts say are modifications of Chinese imports.
                              * Aircraft: The current fleet of the Pakistani Air Force includes Chinese interceptor and advanced trainer aircraft, as well as an Airborne Early Warning and Control radar system used to detect aircraft. Pakistan is producing the JF-17 Thunder multi-role combat aircraft jointly with China. The K-8 Karakorum light attack aircraft was also coproduced.
                              * Nuclear Program: China supplies Pakistan with nuclear technology and assistance, including what many experts suspect was the blueprint for Pakistan's nuclear bomb. Some news reports suggest Chinese security agencies knew about Pakistani transfers of nuclear technology to Iran, North Korea, and Libya. China was also accused of having long-standing ties with Abdul Qadeer Khan (A.Q. Khan), known as the father of the Pakistani nuclear program and head of an international black market nuclear network.

                              Bolstering Ties

                              Since the late 1990s, economic concerns have gained prominence alongside the military-strategic aspect of the relationship; specifically, trade and energy have taken precedence. Over the years, frequent exchanges of high-level visits and contacts between the two countries have resulted in a number of bilateral trade agreements and investment commitments. Trade relations began shortly after the establishment of diplomatic ties in the early 1950s, and the two countries signed their first formal trade agreement in 1963. A comprehensive free trade agreement was signed in 2008, giving each country unprecedented market access to the other. Trade between Islamabad and Beijing now hovers around $7 billion a year, and both sides are set on raising the figure to $15 billion by 2010.

                              The two countries have cooperated on a variety of large-scale infrastructure projects in Pakistan, including highways, gold and copper mines, major electricity complexes and power plants, and numerous nuclear power projects. With roughly ten thousand Chinese workers engaged in 120 projects in Pakistan, total Chinese investment--which includes heavy engineering, power generation, mining, and telecommunications--was valued at $4 billion in 2007 and is expected to rise to $15 billion by 2010. One of the most significant joint development projects of recent years is the major port complex at the naval base of Gwadar, located in the Pakistani province of Balochistan. The complex, inaugurated in December 2008 and now fully operational, provides a deep-sea port, warehouses, and industrial facilities for more than twenty countries. China provided much of the technical assistance and 80 percent of the funds for the construction of the port. In return for providing most of the labor and capital for the project, China gains strategic access to the Persian Gulf: the port, just 180 nautical miles from the Strait of Hormuz, through which 40 percent of all globally traded oil is shipped. This enables China to diversify and secure its crude oil import routes and provides the landlocked and oil and natural gas-rich Xinjiang Province with access to the Arabian Sea.

                              As Pakistan continues to face economic woes with falling foreign investment, a weakening currency, and an underperforming stock market, securing closer economic cooperation with Beijing is seen as vital. Pakistan currently faces a growing balance of payments deficit, and China's capacity as a creditor may be able to correct Islamabad's urgent predicament. "China's huge foreign-exchange reserves," writes Kronstadt, "are a potential source of a major cash infusion."
                              The Balancing Act

                              Despite increased cooperation between the United States and Pakistan since 2001, Islamabad places greater value on its relationship with Beijing than vice versa, say analysts. "Pakistan thinks that both China and the United States are crucial for it," said Haqqani. "If push comes to shove, it would probably choose China--but for this moment, it doesn't look like there has to be a choice." Pakistan considers China a more reliable ally than the United States, citing years of diplomatic manipulation and neglect on the part of Washington. As this interactive timeline explains, Pakistan and China grew closer in the 1960s as Washington and Islamabad began to part ways over the handling of regional issues. In particular, Pakistan felt betrayed when Washington cut off aid to Islamabad during its 1965 and 1971 wars with India. Pakistan played a pivotal role as an intermediary during the U.S.-China rapprochement in the early 1970s, but Pakistanis are still stung by what they see as U.S. indifference toward their country after using it to funnel aid to the Afghan mujahadeen to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

                              The India-U.S. civilian nuclear agreement compounds Pakistan's distrust of the United States, spurring efforts by Pakistani officials to secure a similar deal with China. Pakistan had earlier requested a civil nuclear cooperation deal with the United States, but Washington refused. However, some experts don't see a China-Pakistan civilian nuclear deal in the making anytime soon. "Given the prevailing political situation in Pakistan," says Sumit Ganguly, professor of political science at Indiana University in Bloomington, "China remains circumspect about going through with a civilian nuclear deal with Pakistan."

                              Meanwhile, China is concerned over the increasing level of extremism inside Pakistan. Some experts say China is also concerned about Chinese Uighur separatists in the western province of Xinjiang finding a safe haven in Pakistan's tribal areas. According to Ziad Haider in a 2005 Asian Survey article, Uighur militants were enrolled in Pakistani madrassas during the 1980s and fought the Soviets alongside the Taliban and later against the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan. Some of these madrassas, Haider writes, "provided an important site for the recruitment of [Uighur] fighters" who later returned to Xinjiang.

                              China has also publicly expressed concern over the increased level of kidnappings and killings of Chinese citizens by Pakistani militants. China's ambassador in Islamabad urged Pakistan to "take effective measures to protect all the Chinese in Pakistan" after militants shot and killed three Chinese nationals in July 2007. Militants continue to target Chinese workers in Balochistan Province. However, Beijing is wary of getting heavily involved in counterterrorism efforts. "China is well aware of the threat it faces if it becomes too involved in counterterrorism efforts within Pakistan," says Garver, "and that means taking a more cautious and calculated approach--at least publicly--in strengthening Pakistan's secular institutions against the Islamist challenge. This may partly explain why China has been quite comfortable in encouraging the United States to engage more with Pakistan: to take the heat off of China."
                              Regional Cooperation

                              Experts say all countries in the region are reevaluating their traditional positions. "Everyone in the region has learned to [develop] a relatively non-ideological set of policies," says Kenneth G. Lieberthal, a noted China expert and professor at the University of Michigan. As CSIS's Parker and Schaffer note, China has taken a more neutral position on India-Pakistan issues such as Kashmir in the past decade and a half, and has "begun to take the relationship with India more seriously." A case in point, they say, was China's dissatisfaction with Pakistani military action across the Line of Control, which separates India- and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, during the 1999 Kargil conflict.

                              Pakistan is also not the only South Asian nation China is interested in strengthening ties with: Beijing has expanded its relations with Myanmar, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan, and the Maldives. "China has a clear-cut strategy for using its leverage in the region," says Ganguly of Indiana University. "They're going to continue to work with India's neighbors as a strategic hedge against New Delhi, but Pakistan will remain central to this strategy."

                              Experts believe that any confrontation between India and Pakistan is not in China's interest and would put Beijing in the position of having to choose between the two countries and draw the United States further into the region. "In this sense," writes Kronstadt, "peace between India and Pakistan is in China's interest."

                              Esther Pan contributed to this Backgrounder.





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                              China-Pakistan Relations - Council on Foreign Relations
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                              • Originally posted by xinhui View Post
                                A case in point, they say, was China's dissatisfaction with Pakistani military action across the Line of Control, which separates India- and Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, during the 1999 Kargil conflict.

                                Experts believe that any confrontation between India and Pakistan is not in China's interest and would put Beijing in the position of having to choose between the two countries and draw the United States further into the region. "In this sense," writes Kronstadt, "peace between India and Pakistan is in China's interest."

                                China-Pakistan Relations - Council on Foreign Relations
                                I dont consider myself as an expert but I doubt China ever had a "dissatisfaction" with PA's actions in 99. PA's obsession in getting one hand up against India is a common knowledge. So what is the point of arming PA and being dissatisfied when the PA has done what it is expected to do?.

                                Does that mean the Chinese consider the LOC as the border b/w India and Pakistan? Wouldn't that be contrary to it's dear friend PA's understanding?

                                India wants Pakistan to be in the Chinese camp and out of US's orbit.It is the US which always saves PA from an Indian retaliation not the Chinese.

                                The Chinese wants India to be focused with Pakistan.Long lasting peace would means India is free to challenge the Chinese in the South Asian region.
                                Hence the Chinese would like to see the pot boiling,but not spilling.

                                After all what is more important for the China? A tiny island called Taiwan or Chinese trade lines through the Indian Ocean?
                                Last edited by n21; 23 Aug 09,, 17:24.

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