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    By BARBARA SURK

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - The international shipping industry must take on more responsibility to protect vessels against pirate attacks and kidnappings in the dangerous waters of Somalia rather than rely on the U.S. Navy, the commander of the 5th Fleet warned on Monday.

    Vice Adm. Bill Gortney said the U.S.-led coalition patrolling the Gulf of Aden simply doesn't "have the resources to provide 24-hour protection" for hundreds of commercial vessels passing daily through these dangerous waters between Somalia and Yemen.

    Gortney's comments come as heavily armed pirates are increasingly preying on shipping in the area. Drug smuggling and kidnappings for ransom have increased despite heavy presence of U.S. warships and patrol boats in the area.

    A statement Monday from the 5th Fleet headquarters in Bahrain quotes Gortney as saying that shipping companies "must take measures to defend their vessels and crews." Gortney also suggested they consider hiring security teams for ships.


    So far this year, 57 ships have been attacked in the area, mostly in the Gulf of Aden. The surge prompted the U.S. Naval Central Command last month to establish a security corridor patrolled by an international coalition of warships.

    Their presence has helped deter more than a dozen attacks in four weeks, the U.S. Navy said, but "criminals still successfully targeted several vessels in the region."

    The Gulf of Aden, which connects the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean, is one of the world's busiest waterways with some 20,000 ships passing through it each year. Its waters, off the eastern coast of Somalia, are also a route for drug smuggling, human trafficking and kidnapping for ransom.

    In the latest incident, pirates in speedboats on Sunday hijacked a Greek bulk carrier with 19 crew members off eastern Somalia.

    Thirteen ships with more than 300 crew remain in pirates' hands, according to the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur.

    British navy's commander in the Middle East, Commodore Keith Winstanley, acknowledged in a telephone interview with The Associated Press a "considerable spike in destabilizing activity," with smuggling, trafficking, hijacking and crew kidnappings becoming "an extremely lucrative business."

    Wistanley warned that the presence of coalition destroyers, frigates and an aircraft carrier alone won't stop the piracy. "We do what we can, but the solution to this problem is clearly not at sea, but ashore in Somalia." He did not elaborate.

    Somalia has not had a functioning government since 1991. The country's eastern coast is difficult to patrol, and pirates there are often trained fighters typically armed with automatic weapons, anti-tank rocket launchers and grenades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Its not necessarily the USN's job to patrol the area but they do none the less.
    Want to get technical? CTF150 is a NATO operation as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, installed to support the USA in their war on Al Quaeda.

    I am not in any way blaming the crew for firing warning shots btw. They were using exactly the right measure of force in my opinion.

    DDG-81 was last active against pirates 2.5 years ago btw, and before that USN presence was far bigger even - two or three ships usually. The USN has significantly scaled down operations in the EEZ of Somalia since then, and France has almost entirely taken over as the main actor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Want to get technical? CTF150 is a NATO operation as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, installed to support the USA in their war on Al Quaeda.

    I am not in any way blaming the crew for firing warning shots btw. They were using exactly the right measure of force in my opinion.

    DDG-81 was last active against pirates 2.5 years ago btw, and before that USN presence was far bigger even - two or three ships usually. The USN has significantly scaled down operations in the EEZ of Somalia since then, and France has almost entirely taken over as the main actor.
    Well, Lets just say the USN has done more then its fair share of the patrolling off Somalia. Its about time someone else from Nato picks up the slack. That is what NATO is supposed to support by charter. DDG-81 only gets 6 months out at a time and there were several before her tour that patrolled off Somalia. Well outside of France where are the others Germany and the like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Want to get technical? CTF150 is a NATO operation as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, installed to support the USA in their war on Al Quaeda.

    I am not in any way blaming the crew for firing warning shots btw. They were using exactly the right measure of force in my opinion.

    DDG-81 was last active against pirates 2.5 years ago btw, and before that USN presence was far bigger even - two or three ships usually. The USN has significantly scaled down operations in the EEZ of Somalia since then, and France has almost entirely taken over as the main actor.
    We can get as technical as you like if you wish no worries here.

    Not in my opinion, IMO no warning shots period its about time people take responsibility for their own actions and to hell with political correctness there is zero room for it and if their actions get their heads shot off for approaching a USN ship under a US flag and in known dangerous waters then they deserve exactly what they get. Otherwise they live to terrorize another vessel another day.

    Maybe perhaps tri them, hang them and tar their bodies and hang the bodies in a cage on the beaches as they did in the days of old as a warning to all against piracy. It worked for England why not Somalia Let the gulls feed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Its about time someone else from Nato picks up the slack. That is what NATO is supposed to support by charter.
    Lets say that is a very US-centric, very specific interpretation of the charter, and leave it at that, k?

    Considering no Al Quaeda members have been sighted in Somalia lately, it's actually a wonder no one has tried to put a stop to OEF-HoA as a whole so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Well outside of France where are the others Germany and the like?
    Germany:
    - had 8 ships in the theater in 2001. This was seen - by NATO - as superfluous and was hence reduced to 3 ships. Once UNIFIL came into action - with zero US participation - focus was shifted there instead. Since June, there is no German ship in the area, but Germany will return with likely two ships later this year, and take over CTF150 command in January.

    current contributors to CTF150:
    - NATO members: UK, Denmark
    - non-NATO members: Malaysia, Australia, Singapore

    other nations in area outside CTF150:
    - NATO members: France, Canada
    - non-NATO members: Russia (planned)

    The only uninvolved NATO members with significant-sized navies and no conflicting deployments (in particular MTF448) are currently:
    - Germany (see above)
    - Italy (similar situation to Germany, will likely return soon)
    - Spain (had a frigate there in April)
    - USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay View Post
    I think they should send a bait with guns and when the pirates come nearby blast the hell out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    DDG-81 was last active against pirates 2.5 years ago btw, and before that USN presence was far bigger even - two or three ships usually. The USN has significantly scaled down operations in the EEZ of Somalia since then, and France has almost entirely taken over as the main actor.
    Let's get really technical....when was the last time that a USN ship engaged Somali pirates?

    And let's get even more technical...when was the the last time that France actually did something substantial on the world scene, militarily? Deploying naval forces during the first year of Operation Enduring Freedom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Let's get really technical....when was the last time that a USN ship engaged Somali pirates?
    Offhand? Latest such report i've seen was in February, although the DoD would not comment on it back then.

    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    And let's get even more technical...when was the the last time that France actually did something substantial on the world scene, militarily? Deploying naval forces during the first year of Operation Enduring Freedom?
    Mmm... You mean outside their ongoing OEF deployment for the past 7 years?
    From memory... Operation Baliste in 2006, landing 2000 troops in Lebanon and evacuating around 5000 people by sea, would be the last major one for the French Navy. The war against Ivory Coast in 2004 before that, with a pretty much constant naval presence since then in the region.

    France currently provides near a quarter of all close air support, and most tanker support in Afghanistan. France is pretty much the only Western country involved militarily in the Darfur conflict. And for a lesser-known area of conflict, France currently has around 8,000 troops in the Carribean with about half assigned to combat drug trade alongside US JIA TFS.

    Not everyone goes for the flashy stuff.

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    [QUOTE=Dreadnought;550387:

    Should have destroyed their dumb asses instead![/QUOTE]

    Cant agree more , dirty bastards .

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    And let's get even more technical...when was the the last time that France actually did something substantial on the world scene, militarily? Deploying naval forces during the first year of Operation Enduring Freedom?
    Yeah...sorry, we're not on TV...

    A US ship firing a shot and the world must stand in awe...You should rename your forum "American affairs board", maybe less cool for the acronym than WAB, but I think it would really suit it better..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Yeah...sorry, we're not on TV...

    A US ship firing a shot and the world must stand in awe...You should rename your forum "American affairs board", maybe less cool for the acronym than WAB, but I think it would really suit it better..

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    pirates r thieves and deserve all they get as do all thieves and liars, but what goes around etc etc
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    What are the US Navy's ROE in the area? I'll bet the pirates were surprised to find a gray painted lady with more teeth than treasure......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Yeah...sorry, we're not on TV...

    A US ship firing a shot and the world must stand in awe...You should rename your forum "American affairs board", maybe less cool for the acronym than WAB, but I think it would really suit it better..

    Goodbye.
    Oscar, Grow a thicker skin and stop crying over spilt wine. If your countries media head lines were only as bad as the US's. Then you would have cause for lashing out. Face it your country got off lite headlines wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Offhand? Latest such report i've seen was in February, although the DoD would not comment on it back then.
    Actually far more recent than that.

    Forgetting the recent seizure of that tank-landen ship currently being shadowed by USS Howard, a hijacking was thwarted by the arrival of helos from USS Peleliu


    Mmm... You mean outside their ongoing OEF deployment for the past 7 years [et al]?
    I stand corrected on the French.


    Quote Originally Posted by kato View Post
    Compare that to what the flotilla had in the region 5 years ago - pitiful.
    I've failed to find a current CTF-150 order of battle, so I can't dispute your assertion. On the other hand, I would like to know how your are arriving at it in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    Yeah...sorry, we're not on TV...

    A US ship firing a shot and the world must stand in awe...You should rename your forum "American affairs board", maybe less cool for the acronym than WAB, but I think it would really suit it better..

    Goodbye.
    Terribly sorry that we don't measure up to your high standards Oscar.
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