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    Unescorted Tour Of Tskhinvali Belie Russian "Stalingrad-like" Destruction and Claims

    McClatchy Washington Bureau | 08/17/2008 | Tour of Tskhinvali undercuts Russian claim of genocide


    But in fact, the city still does exist. While there was extensive damage to some structures, most buildings had front doors on their hinges and standing walls. For every building charred by explosions — the Georgians are accused of using multiple rocket launcher systems — there were others on tree-lined streets that looked untouched.
    Not only was the destruction in Tskhinvali a far cry from Stalingrad after World War II, it was well short of what happened in the southern Beirut suburbs during Israel's war with Hezbollah in the summer of 2006, or the Iraqi city of Fallujah during U.S. fighting against insurgents in November 2004.
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    Well, I guess that while they have walls standing, its not a big deal...
    I guess mr. McClatchy suggests we sould've waited till there would be 'enough' dead bodies and destroyed buildings.
    What a hype!
    http://www.kp.ru/upimg/photo/134947.jpg
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    Pictures of one destroyed building prove very little. The question is how extensive such damage was.

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    But in fact, the city still does exist. While there was extensive damage to some structures, most buildings had front doors on their hinges and standing walls. For every building charred by explosions — the Georgians are accused of using multiple rocket launcher systems — there were others on tree-lined streets that looked untouched.
    Whatever the city is “half-destroyed” or “half-intact” seems to be the personal point of view rather then unbiased present of facts! I also find it hard to believe that the journalists had an unique opportunity to walk around Tskhinvali and witness the nearly intact city but did not bring any cameras to back up the claims..
    How many buildings need repair before they are safe to live and work in? How much material damage is done to the whole city?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergei View Post
    Whatever the city is “half-destroyed” or “half-intact” seems to be the personal point of view rather then unbiased present of facts! I also find it hard to believe that the journalists had an unique opportunity to walk around Tskhinvali and witness the nearly intact city but did not bring any cameras to back up the claims..
    How many buildings need repair before they are safe to live and work in? How much material damage is done to the whole city?
    Here's a brids-eye view of the SO war-zone: Wikimapia - Let's describe the whole world!

    Russian speakers can probably gather more out of this. But one can imagine how much room there is for "collateral damage".

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    compare to

    http://cheznadezhda.blogharbor.com/R...talingrad1.jpg

    http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/dresden_bombing.jpg

    http://www.cnac.org/emilscott/santotomas13_manila.jpg

    http://img.rian.ru/images/3994/12/39941223.jpg

    The Russians claimed the place looked like Stalingrad, it doesn't. In fact by the standards of war and natural disaster it got off easy.
    Stanilgrad is an exaggeraton, thats for sure, and it was pretty obvious right from the start. But still - most of the houses would have to be demolished and rebuilt from scratch. Anyway, what's your point? You suggest we should've waited till it got more Stalingrad-like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuriff View Post
    Stanilgrad is an exaggeraton, thats for sure, and it was pretty obvious right from the start. But still - most of the houses would have to be demolished and rebuilt from scratch. Anyway, what's your point? You suggest we should've waited till it got more Stalingrad-like?
    Since without Russian troops it would have fallen to Georgian forces by the end of the day I don't think that was ever a realistic possibility.

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    Look at this movie about how the Georgian troops are restoring the "constitutional order" in Tskhinval.

    http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3oqiSOPijiU

    The Georgian tank rolls along the street of Tskhinval. A vehicle follows behind. We do not see the occupants of vehicle but we can hear their voices and the sounds of shooting.
    The voice is shouting in-Georgian : "Save the ammo! Choose the object and shoot 2-3 times!Shoot at the roofs, burn the houses!"
    In the meantime we do not see any people in the street - either armed or disarmed. No people in the street. Noone fires at the Georgians in the vehicle. No battle between these Georgians and any other people in the street. Just Georgian tank and Georgian soldiers in the moving vehicle, and they are burning the houses in Tskhinval.

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    http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/fullMaps_Sa.nsf/luFullMap/1269E9CB4650B9B3852574AD007513A6/$File/unosat_DMG_geo080822.pdf?OpenElement
    ReliefWeb » Map » Satellite Damage Assessment For Tskhinvali, South Ossetia, Georgia (as of 22 Aug 2008)
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    Aerial view of Tskhinval.
    Cut from news, channel Vesti.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y66cxDJAAJ8

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    well

    reposting satellite damage assesment from the csmonitor article.
    ReliefWeb » Map » Satellite Damage Assessment For Tskhinvali, South Ossetia, Georgia (as of 22 Aug 2008)

    Approximately 400-500 buildings destroyed by Georgian Multiple Launch Rocket System shelling of Tskhinvalli and surrounding areas especially north of the city.

    The jpg loads better than the pdf.

    the link was taken from the article below
    Behind checkpoints, a look at Russian actions in Georgia | csmonitor.com
    Originally from Sochi, Russia.

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