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    South Ossetia

    Caucasus in crisis: Georgia invades rebel region - Telegraph

    The Caucasus have descended into crisis after Georgian troops launched a full-scale military assault against Moscow-backed rebels in an attempt to wrest control of the breakaway region of South Ossetia.
    South Ossetia: Georgia preparing for war, Russia claims | World news | The Guardian
    Earlier this week Russia, which has a peacekeeping contingent in the area, said it would not stand aside if serious fighting broke out. Busloads of South Ossetian children were evacuated to Russia last weekend. Abkhazia, on the Black Sea coast, said that in the event of war it was ready to come to South Ossetia's aid.
    Since a big part of this conflict is Georgia's wish to join NATO, I'm posting this here. If this isn't the right place, well, then I guess I'll find out.

    So, thoughts? This is pretty darn not good. Russia has been spouting a lot of rhetoric recently, and has been generally trying to hoist itself back to its former power. Russia already blatantly backs these rebels, so just how involved will Russia become in this? What will be the response of NATO? How bad will this get?
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    This whole situation has been getting ready to boil over so long its not funny. Yeah, Russia perceives Georgia as being too close to the West, and Nato membership is likely the big issue as you've suggested. Russia has an alarming habit of putting a serious squeeze on countries in its 'near-abroad' that dont fall into line politically, just look at the way it has used state gas monopoly Gazprom to put pressure on nations like Georgia and the Ukraine amongst others. The threat of military action probably just seems like the next logical step for the Russian government.

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    I'm not feeling at all sanguine about this development.
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    As soon as Russian and Georgian troops clash its big trouble. I know the Russian Army for all its claims has not yet recovered from the 1990's but they still outweigh Georgia.

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    This had been coming for a long time, although I did not expect the crisis to have escalated so quickly to a conventional confrontation with the Russians brazenly crossing the border.

    The only way this will conclude is if the Georgians are able to either stop the Russians or make the costs militarily or politically unacceptable that the resulting cease-fire will not just be an interregnum for the Russians to renew the contest. If Russia succeeds, then it wil have sent a message to its near abroad that it will be willing to use force not only in response to provocations, but to compel them to follow its policies- almost Finlandizing them.

    It also sends a message to NATO and the US. No one is going to support expansion of the alliance to a nation and region where it may actually have to called upon to invoke its mandate of mutual defense.

    The political balance of forces in Central Asia may just be in the balance if this conflict does not end soon.

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    I don't understand what this has anything to do with Russia. Ethnic Russians are a small minority in that area. And the title of this thread is wrong. Russia has infact invaded Georgia.

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    THe ceasefire ends in 1 hours I beleive, or right now if I got the timezones wrong. If Georgia doesnt back down in the next hours, Russian and Georgian forces will end up in conflict. Russia will declare war and Geogia will be no more.


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    I don't understand what this has anything to do with Russia. Ethnic Russians are a small minority in that area. And the title of this thread is wrong. Russia has infact invaded Georgia.
    If you consider South Ossetia to still be part of Georgia. Is it
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Ghost View Post
    If you consider South Ossetia to still be part of Georgia. Is it
    It's a part of Georgia as much as N.Ossetia is a part of Russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Six View Post
    It's a part of Georgia as much as N.Ossetia is a part of Russia
    Technically it was autonamous as of the end of the first breakaway war, defacto independent.
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    Ok, it seem Russia is actually sending more troops to Tskhinvali as 'peace keepers', when clearly there is no peace to keep.

    Are they actually going to try and defend Tskhinvali from a Georgian attack?!

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    I know all this non sense of this selective self determination will bite every ones a$$, and it has done so.
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    It's a part of Georgia as much as N.Ossetia is a part of Russia
    That's crap. Has Georgia ever had control over that part of it's "country?" The people of S. Ossetia fought for independence as soon as Georgia became independent and have been defacto independent ever since. Their brief time in Georgia involved the Georgians trying to surpress their language and then a bloody civil war which the S. Ossetians basically won. This is aggression on Georgia's part. The Ossetians have been defacto independent since 1990, and when exactly did Georgia become an independent country again?

    Plus, historically S. Ossetia has no ties with Georgia. Stalin was the one who decided to split up N. Ossetia and S. Ossetia between Georgia and Russia. Now the Ossetians wanted to be reunited together again in Russia. But they will accept independence if need be but what they want is to rejoin Russia with the rest of their Ossetian brothers.

    As for why this is Russia's business, 95% of those people in S. Ossetia are Russian citizens. Plus, you have Russian Cossacks insisting on going to the defense of their fellow Cossacks.

    The Georgians are the ones who when they got their independence decided to force others with whom they had no historical ties to remain with them...It's not even the same situation as Kosovo, because it's not like this is a relgious holy area for Georgia.
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    Russian tanks enter South Ossetia


    Russian tanks enter South Ossetia


    Russian tanks have entered the capital of Georgia's breakaway region of South Ossetia, says Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili.

    Georgia has been fighting separatists with ties to Russia in order to regain control of the province, which has had de facto independence since the 1990s.

    Georgia is reported to have said any involvement of Russian forces in the conflict will result in a state of war.

    Russia's president promised to defend Russian citizens in South Ossetia.

    Moscow's defence ministry said more than 10 of its peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia had been killed and 30 wounded in the Georgian offensive. At least 15 civilians are also reported dead.

    Reservists

    Nato, the US and the EU have all called for an immediate end to hostilities.

    Georgia's president said 150 Russian tanks and other vehicles had entered South Ossetia.

    He told CNN: "Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory."

    Mr Saakashvili, who has called on reservists to sign up for duty, said: "This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory.

    "We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight," Reuters new agency quoted him as saying."

    He also said Georgian forces had shot down two Russian jets on Georgian territory, although Russia denied any of its fighters had entered its neighbour's airspace.

    Moscow's defence ministry said reinforcements for Russian peacekeepers had been sent to South Ossetia "to help end bloodshed".

    Following reports of Russian deaths, President Dmitry Medvedev said: "I must protect the life and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are," Interfax news agency reported.

    "We will not allow their deaths to go unpunished. Those responsible will receive a deserved punishment."

    'Ethnic cleansing'

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Moscow was receiving reports that villages in South Ossetia were being ethnically cleansed.

    Mr Lavrov added in televised remarks: "The number of refugees is growing. A humanitarian crisis is looming."

    Meanwhile Interfax quoted South Ossetian rebel leader Eduard Kokoity as saying there were "hundreds of dead civilians" in the region's capital, Tskhinvali.

    Residents of the city were reported to have been sheltering in basements as massive explosions rocked the city.

    Georgian jets have been targeting separatist positions. Both sides blamed each other for breaking an earlier ceasefire agreed on Thursday.

    Georgian Foreign Minister Ekaterine Tkeshelashvili told the BBC it wanted to ensure that any civilians who wanted to leave the conflict zone could do so safely.

    International Red Cross spokeswoman Anna Nelson said it had received reports that hospitals in Tskhinvali were having trouble coping with the influx of casualties and ambulances were having trouble reaching the injured.

    A spokesman for the Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia said Georgian shells directly hit barracks in Tskhinvali, killing several peacekeepers.

    Georgian Prime Minister Lado Gurgenidze said Georgia had simply run out of patience with attacks by separatist militias in recent days and had had to move in to restore peace in South Ossetia.

    Truce plea

    Georgia accuses Russia of arming the separatists. Moscow denies the claim.

    Russia called an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to respond to the crisis, but members failed to agree on a Russian statement calling on both sides to renounce the use of force.

    The BBC's James Rodgers in Moscow says Russia has always said it supports the territorial integrity of Georgia but also that it would defend its citizens. Many South Ossetians hold Russian passports.

    Hundreds of fighters from Russia and Georgia's other breakaway region of Abkhazia are reportedly heading to aid the separatist troops.

    China, where the Olympic Games opens on Friday, called for a worldwide truce during the sporting event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pravin View Post
    Will NATO ATTACK RUSSIA NOW?
    Relax, buddy Georgia has started to bomb South Osetia's cities first. We protect our citizens and retaliate for killed Russian peacekeepers.

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