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    Funny, USSR invaded Afghanistan very near to Christmas day of '79

    Russia invades Georgia on the 2008 Olympic opening day.

    Always a day where the world attention is elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxes View Post
    Funny...Russia invades Georgia on the 2008 Olympic opening day.
    Do your head to think or to eat only?
    It is Georgia has invaded to South Ossetia in Olympic day.
    http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/wes...h-ossetia.html

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    How about you use your head as well as those big round eyes of yours,

    Did I say that Georgia did not invaded? NO, I didnot

    I only said that Russia invaded today, which is a fact.

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    I don't think anyone will attack Russia if they don't go too far like Tbilisi or Batum :S. Even an embargo doesn't seem realistic. Do europeans love georgia enough to break all energy deals they have with Russians? By the way why Georgian president talks in front of a EU flag? They are not an EU member as far as I know.

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    Good thing that Russia has put its nose into the fray!

    The world was becoming boring! )


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    Couple news:
    VLADIKAVKAZ, August 8 (RIA Novosti) - Russian troops are approaching the capital of breakaway South Ossetia to help peacekeepers amid a spiraling conflict with Georgia, which tried to regain control of the region Friday, a top military spokesman said.

    Colonel Igor Konashenkov, an aide to the Russian Ground Forces commander, said around 10 Russian peacekeepers have been killed and 30 wounded in the province since Georgia launched a major offensive overnight using tanks, combat aircraft, heavy artillery and infantry.

    "Units of the 58th Army have set off to help Russian peacekeepers, they are approaching Tskhinvali," Konashenkov said.

    He said Georgian tanks are firing at the Russian peacekeeping headquarters.

    "Georgian troops are shooting Russian peacekeepers and civilians at observation posts they have seized," he said. "Vicious fighting is going on in the area of Tskhinvali, where Georgian tanks are firing at the peacekeepers' headquarters and base from close by."

    Earlier reports confirmed by the Russian Defense Ministry said a convoy of Russian tanks and armored vehicles had entered Tskhinvali. Eyewitnesses said some 100 Russian tanks and armored vehicles crossed the Russian border.

    Georgia's Interior Ministry said earlier Russian aircraft dropped two bombs near the Vaziani military airbase in a Tbilisi suburb, reporting no injuries. There was no immediate confirmation from Russia that it had sent bombers into the area.

    And Russia's president and premier vowed retaliation for what they called "the Georgian aggression" and punishment for those who kill Russian nationals in South Ossetia.

    Separatist officials said Tskhinvali has suffered major destruction, and reported 15 civilian deaths. Georgia said three soldiers had been killed and about 17 wounded by separatist forces.

    NATO, the European Union and the United States, a key ally of Georgia, all issued statements urging Georgia and South Ossetia to bring an end to the conflict.

    There has been no Western reaction to the advance by Russian troops so far.

    Russia has maintained its peacekeeping contingent in Georgia's breakaway republics, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, since the bloody post-Soviet conflicts in the early 1990s.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered humanitarian aid be provided to those affected by the conflict, the Kremlin said Friday
    MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik) - The very real possibility of full-scale war between Georgia and South Ossetia raises questions about its possible outcome.

    At present, the Georgian armed forces have more than 30,000 men, including 20,000 ground forces. They are equipped with more than 200 tanks, including 40 T-55s and 165 T-72s, which are currently being upgraded. Apart from tanks, the ground forces have 200 combat armored vehicles, including about 180 infantry combat vehicles and armored personnel carriers (APCs). The ground troops can receive artillery support from 120 artillery pieces of 122 mm-152 mm caliber, 40 multiple-launch rocket systems, and 180 mortars.

    The Georgian Air Force is equipped with five Su-25 (Frogfoot) close support aircraft, 15 L-29 and L-39 combat training aircraft, which can be used as light assault planes, and 30 helicopters, including eight MI-24 attack helicopters.

    Available estimates put the South Ossetian forces at a mere 2,500 officers and men, or 16,000, including reservists. They are armed with 15 T-55 and T-72 tanks, 24 Gvozdika and Akatsiya self-propelled artillery units, 12 D-30 towed howitzers, six multiple-launch rocket systems, four 100-mm Rapir anti-tank weapons, and more than 30 mortars. In addition, the South Ossetian army has 22 infantry combat vehicles, 24 APCs, and six combat patrol vehicles.

    The infantry is equipped with small arms of Soviet or Russian make, and has several dozen Fagot and Konkurs anti-tank rocket systems. Its air force consists of four MI-8 multi-purpose transport helicopters. South Ossetia can defend itself against air attacks with four to six Osa, three Tunguska, three Shilka, and six Strela-10 air defense rocket systems. It also has 12 23-mm ZU-23/2 twin antiaircraft guns (some of which are mounted on GAZ-66 trucks), and up to 100 Igla and Strela man-portable air-defense missiles.

    A forecast of the outcome of this war (as well as a potential conflict with Abkhazia) cannot be based on mathematics alone. In the mountains, even a very small unit can resist a numerically much stronger enemy. In this case, the outcome of the conflict will primarily depend on the training of forces and the influence of third parties.

    The training of the Georgian army is not likely to have changed much in the last two months and, with the exception of a few units, it is not rated too high. Like the Abkhazian armed forces, South Ossetian armies are better trained and motivated. Moreover, the Abkhazian leader has already expressed readiness to support South Ossetia in a war against Georgia.

    Georgia can win only if it is backed by the United States and its other allies. And even with such support, its victory will mean heavy losses, and entail lengthy guerilla warfare.

    The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.

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    Was is not South Ossetia who broke away from Georgia and Georgia is now trying to get their territory back?

    If so, why does Russia have incentives to Invade South Ossetia besides reclaiming lost territory Prior 1991?

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    isn,t russia there to protect ossetia, and kick georgian butt if needed? also ossetia isn,t georgia.
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    So a portion of the Russian Federation wants to become independent...then a portion of that portion which wants independence wants independence to rejoin the Russian federation...

    This is truly popcorn material.
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    Russia is putting its empire back together.

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    Russia has turned into this big bully throwing its weight around in the Baltic, against the Ukraine, in the Caucuses. Russia has territorial ambitions and an ugly long-term global geopolitical strategy.

    Many Russians still feel their pride dented due to their perceived defeat in the cold war. Russians feel victimized, exploited and humiliated by the west throughout history, just as the Chinese do. A nation with the victims’ mindset and a rabid feeling of wanting to exact revenge is dangerous.

    The cold war mindset still dominates the Kremlin and Putin and his top henchmen much have been itching to show the world that Russia can stand up for itself. The Russians have frequently launched military campaigns against its neighbors to prove its masculinity to itself throughout history. How could a tiny nation of Georgia ever have the stomach for a military conflict with Russia unless all options had run out?? The invasion of Georgia and the Western alliance's lack of spine to stand up for Georgia will make the Russians feel "hey, we are back to being a world power again."

    This is a disgrace and a show of naked aggression. I am afraid the US is already preoccupied elsewhere (Iraq, Afghanistan) and its allies too weak to respond, except maybe issue condemnation on paper. I hope that an all out war is averted and the breakaway regions of Ossetia and Abkhazia are returned to Georgia. If this is not stopped then maybe Russian tanks will roll into Lithuania, Ukraine, or Azerbaijan next. It might just as well the beginning of the new Russian empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omon View Post
    isn,t russia there to protect ossetia, and kick georgian butt if needed? also ossetia isn,t georgia.
    Tell that to the Chechens. Russia is rebuilding its empire and exerting its power in what it has said is its sphere of influence. The invasion of Georgia is just the newest example of Russian aggression against its neighbors.Russia wants this war, and set it up.

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    It looks like about 10% of Georgia's strength is away in Iraq, so right now they are probably as weak a target as Russia will get.

    On the other hand, there were about 1,000 extra US troops in Georgia for an exercise towards the end of July. Does anyone know if they left on time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Tell that to the Chechens. Russia is rebuilding its empire and exerting its power in what it has said is its sphere of influence. The invasion of Georgia is just the newest example of Russian aggression against its neighbors.Russia wants this war, and set it up.
    Not quite.

    You will not understand being an American!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Not quite.

    You will not understand being an American!
    Wasn't Persia under the receiving end of Russian aggression during the 'Great Game' of the 19th century?

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