MiG 1.42 MFI “RAPTOR KILLER” : THE F-22 SLAYER

[Mr-Vaastu]

Hold your breath people, here it comes the ultimate thread ;) .......

F-22 RAPTOR…..….

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MiG 1.42 “RAPTOR KILLER”

“The Russians never got out of the fighter-building business. They are delivering aircraft to nations around the world that outperform anything else we have - except the Raptor,” said General Jumper after he piloted the F-22 at Mach 1.7. But the truth is he could be terribly wrong……. http://www.f-22raptor.com/


With Indo-Russian Aviation Limited (IRAL) planning joint co-production on new stealthy Russian aircraft which has been HAL’s longstanding expertise in erstwhile Soviet fighter plane designs, the MiG MFI project is definitely what India is eyeing.


Who knows 20 years from now, an IAF MiG 1.42 “Raptor Killer” may once more score kills over a USAF F-22 in DACT






All-in-all it just boils down to this. Whatever the Americans have, the Russians have better. The failure of the Sabres against Korean MiGs saw the development of the F-5. The low kill ratios of the Phantoms and F-5s against the nimble MiGs over N. Vietnam saw the development of the F-16 and the high speed MiG-25 lead to the F-15s development. Yet an integrated BVR attack capable IAF MiG 21 Bison armed with a Phazotron Kopyo-M radar and R-77 BVRAAMs can still “schlemm” any F-16. And while the ATF program began in the early 1980s with the YF-22 making its maiden flight in September 1990 the F-22 probably won’t be fully operational with the USAF by 2008-2010. So with the F-22 being technologically three decades old one can only fathom how much superior the MiG MFI is.

Specifications

Having greater agility and range than the F-22 the aerodynamically superior MFI will have a top speed of Mach 2.6 versus Mach 1.7 for the F-22 Raptor, and the MFI will be able to cruise supersonically for a longer period. To reduce RCS it sports a heavy coating of RAM, S-shaped compressor channels, internal weapon storage, LO airframe geometry, and maybe an active radar cancellation system (RCS) or a plasma cloud stealth (PCS) system making it stealthier than the F-22 as MiG MAPO claims. Two three-dimensional thrust-vectoring Saturn/Lyulka AL-41F turbofans, capable of 44,100 lb of thrust in afterburner power the MiG 1.42. The key to the MiG-1.42 is its new Phazotron N-014 phased array fire control radar and rear-facing N-012 radar system operating in in air and ground modes simultaneously with ground mapping, search-and-track of moving targets, synthetic aperature radar and terrain avoidance it is capable of detecting any stealth aircraft without a special radar.


A Mach 2.8 MiG-31 Foxhound refitted with the newer R-77 (AA-12 'Adder') with its deadly SBI-16 Zaslon fixed phased array antenna radar, codenamed 'Flash Dance' by NATO, which is said to be the world's most powerful fighter radar would be able to target an F-22 200 km away.

Unlike the way the West thinks, the Russians know its speed and weapons delivery that make you the hunter killer. Combine that with the "ATFski" low-observable (LO) stealthly MiG 1.42 and you have a “Raptor Killer”.

Armaments

Everything in VVS fighter weapons inventory, including R-77 missiles.
MFI would also have some special weapons, like ultra-long-range AA missiles (Novator).

Radar Equipment

Forward and rearward facing radars; forward-facing radar N-014 phased array with electronically-scanned antenna - simultaneous tracking of 40 and engagement of up to 20 targets; effective range against a fighter-sized target: 420km, extended AS capability, ground mapping capability; rearward-facing radar N-012.

Stealth Features

Composite RAM, S-shaped compressor channels, internal weapons storage, LO airframe geometry, perhaps an active radar cancellation system or a plasma cloud stealth system.

[Mr-Vaastu]

Any Comrades here who'd like to share new info on the MiG MFI?

[ajaybhutani]

my frnd migM MFI is over . The contract has gone into the hands of Sukhoi with Mig contributing in parts of development. MFI is nothing more than a tech demonstrator. Well Lets see whats the speed radar RCs etc of PAK-FA as that would be facing F22 and not mig MFI.

[SwingKid]

A Russian jet with an RCS to match the F-16. Finally!

Too bad the N-014 radar doesn't actually exist...



-SK

[Bill]

Too bad Mig1.42 will never exist either... ;)

[Terran empire]

Too bad Mig1.42 will never exist either... ;)

M21 is right the russian don't have the cash too field any thing New. Heck they don't have the Cash too Field Most of there old.
as for this plane it was technical demonstrator and is in pretty bad shape. the project began in 1983 and has been on again off again, My money say this project will not yield any thing unless another country jumps in looking for a new plane.
Now F22 vs Mig1,42, IMO The Mig driver should pray the new Ejection seat Works.

[SwingKid]

M21 is right the russian don't have the cash too field any thing New.

Russia has plenty of cash. Trouble is after so many years of gutting, the Russian aerospace complex has very little on offer anymore worth buying. Notwithstanding all the hype, an Iraqi MiG-29 would beat the MiG 1.42 in its present state.

-SK

[jgetti]

[QUOTE=Mr-Vaastu]
Having greater agility and range than the F-22 the aerodynamically superior MFI will have a top speed of Mach 2.6 versus Mach 1.7 for the F-22 Raptor, and the MFI will be able to cruise supersonically for a longer period. To reduce RCS it sports a heavy coating of RAM, S-shaped compressor channels, internal weapon storage, LO airframe geometry, and maybe an active radar cancellation system (RCS) or a plasma cloud stealth (PCS) system making it stealthier than the F-22 as MiG MAPO claims. Two three-dimensional thrust-vectoring Saturn/Lyulka AL-41F turbofans, capable of 44,100 lb of thrust in afterburner power the MiG 1.42. [QUOTE]


You have perfected the art of talking out of your A$$. Russia has never even developed a first generation stealth aircraft, much less anything on par with an F/A-22. Furthermore dipshit, the F/A-22 supercruises at higher than mach 1.7, WITHOUT afterburner.

[SwingKid]

Ooh, Mr. tough guy. C'mon man, he lives in a multipolar fantasyland but he's not hurting or insulting anybody personally. Is all that really necessary? One of these days he'll pick up an actual book instead of a glossy Mikoyan airshow flyer or Yugoslav web page, and discover something real like the SA-20, then what will you do? Ask him to be nice?



-SK

[jgetti]

Ooh, Mr. tough guy. C'mon man, he lives in a multipolar fantasyland but he's not hurting or insulting anybody personally. Is all that really necessary? One of these days he'll pick up an actual book instead of a glossy Mikoyan airshow flyer or Yugoslav web page, and discover something real like the SA-20, then what will you do? Ask him to be nice?



-SK

Yea, probably not necessary.

[Dima]

acutally, the MiG coporation has restarted the MiG 1.42 project becauase they believe that they might receive some export orders, its the exact same situation as the Su-47

and Mr. Vastu, just to correct you on something, the F-22 has a maximum speed of Mach 2, people claim that it can go Mach 2.5, but by then, the RAM coating and radar disspiating paint are totally useless(non-repairable) because of heat damage

yes, the Russians have plenty of cash, tons of it, all of it is saved up($128 billion of it specifically) they are in fact a net creditor, with a debt of only $120 billion, they're trade balance is set to soar, and their budget surplus, well, if it remains, thats just another positive for the Russian economy

jgetti, you're supposed to be an engineer, then why did you make the dumbest comment otday so far," Furthermore dipshit, the F/A-22 supercruises at higher than mach 1.7, WITHOUT afterburner."

oh, just to add, the MiG 1.42 is different from the 1.44 that eevryone has seen photos of, its a lot stealtheir, and has a few different design features, also, since the R-27(the God of missiles....err, Gods of missiles) and the R-73 are growing old, Vympel is to introduce brand new missiles at the same time that the T-50 is coming out, between 2010-2012, they will also officially integrate the K-172 Novator missile with a range of 300km+, i've heard reports of 400km+, and the AA-13(short range missile, successor to the R-73) will be so superior to other IR missiles, i can't wait, and if they can duplicate the R-27's incredible success into the AA-14, it will definitely be a force to be reckoned with, anyways, basic point, these missiles will be Gods
haha, what the hell do you think supercruise is, supercruise is sustained speeds of over Mach 1.45 without afterburner, so the last part WITHOUT afterburner." is just stupid, saying that it can supercuirse is sufficient enough

oh and the T-50 will be able to supercruise even faster, and havea longer range than the F-22, it will really be a remarkable aircraft, Mr. Vastu, where do you get this information from, what sites, seriously, i want to read some of that stuff

[jgetti]

and Mr. Vastu, just to correct you on something, the F-22 has a maximum speed of Mach 2, people claim that it can go Mach 2.5, but by then, the RAM coating and radar disspiating paint are totally useless(non-repairable) because of heat damage

jgetti, you're supposed to be an engineer, then why did you make the dumbest comment otday so far," Furthermore dipshit, the F/A-22 supercruises at higher than mach 1.7, WITHOUT afterburner."

haha, what the hell do you think supercruise is, supercruise is sustained speeds of over Mach 1.45 without afterburner, so the last part WITHOUT afterburner." is just stupid, saying that it can supercuirse is sufficient enough

The F/A-22 has a max speed that hasn't been published,, but lets think about something: The F-15 which has a larger drag coefficient than the F/A-22 is a Mach 2.5 plus aircraft with engines that have combined thrust of approx. 10000 lbs less than that of the F/A-22,, so just how do you come up with mach 2??? Also, what the hell do you know about radar dissipating paint?? I'm pretty confident that the answer is nothing.

Secondly, where the hell did you come up with mach 1.45??? Another rectal extraction I suppose. I was pointing out that the aircraft isn't limited to mach 1.7 as he alluded to, but rather that was the published speed it could attain without afterburner. But since you're a grammar expert/professional editor, I'll let you have that.

The dumbest comment today huh? I'm inviting you to go have sex with yourself.

[Dima]

haha, you have to use pathetic disses to resolve this

and actually, no, supercruise isn't sustained speeds beyond Mach speeds, specifically, its sustained speeds beyond Mach 1.5(sorry, i heard from a USAF pilot that it was Mach 1.45)

the official speed is Mach 1.9/2, and there are reports that it is capable of going Mach 3, which might be likely, but the time it passes Mach 2.3, its stealth capabilities are useless, lol

Mach 2.5+, where did you get that from? link

anyways, you didn't have to say, without afterburner after you said that it is capable of supercruise, because its the same thing, when you say supercruise, its self explanatory that the aircraft has the capability of going past Mach 1.5 without afterburner

"I'm inviting you to go have sex with yourself." righttttttttttttttttt???

also, the F-22 weighs a lot more than the F-15, let me find the stats

the F119-PW-100 engine has a maximum thrust of 35,000 lbs., and has a normal weight of 62,000 lbs.

home.att.net/~jbaugher4/f22_1.html

so, it has a total thrust of 70,000 lbs.

now the F-15C, its F100-PW-220 has s thrust of 23,840 lbs., and it has a normal weight of 44,630 kbs.

so it has a total thrust of 47,680 lbs.

therefore, the thrust-to-weight ratio's are

F-22/1.13:1
F-15C/1.07:1

therfore, the F-22 would have only slightly a higher maximum speed than the F-15C, maybe Mach 2.7 maximum, but by Mach 2.3, the RAM wouldn't be effective and neither would the paint

[ajaybhutani]

where is mig getting the money from for i remember that they are too much in debt and dsnt even have finances to pay for the raw materials due to which a lot of tension come on in india for the possible delays in mig29K's supplies.

[jgetti]

haha, you have to use pathetic disses to resolve this

and actually, no, supercruise isn't sustained speeds beyond Mach speeds, specifically, its sustained speeds beyond Mach 1.5(sorry, i heard from a USAF pilot that it was Mach 1.45)

the official speed is Mach 1.9/2, and there are reports that it is capable of going Mach 3, which might be likely, but the time it passes Mach 2.3, its stealth capabilities are useless, lol

Mach 2.5+, where did you get that from? link

anyways, you didn't have to say, without afterburner after you said that it is capable of supercruise, because its the same thing, when you say supercruise, its self explanatory that the aircraft has the capability of going past Mach 1.5 without afterburner

"I'm inviting you to go have sex with yourself." righttttttttttttttttt???

also, the F-22 weighs a lot more than the F-15, let me find the stats

the F119-PW-100 engine has a maximum thrust of 35,000 lbs., and has a normal weight of 62,000 lbs.

home.att.net/~jbaugher4/f22_1.html

so, it has a total thrust of 70,000 lbs.

now the F-15C, its F100-PW-220 has s thrust of 23,840 lbs., and it has a normal weight of 44,630 kbs.

so it has a total thrust of 47,680 lbs.

therefore, the thrust-to-weight ratio's are

F-22/1.13:1
F-15C/1.07:1

therfore, the F-22 would have only slightly a higher maximum speed than the F-15C, maybe Mach 2.7 maximum, but by Mach 2.3, the RAM wouldn't be effective and neither would the paint

"The official speed" You fucking idiot. It's still in development,, there is no officially released speed. Man you must bang the oak tree in your back yard. Furthermore, the F-15E uses PW F100-P229 engines with 29000 lbs of thrust each,, therefore, 58000 lbs combined. If you subtract 58000 from 70000 you get 12000 which is pretty close to 10000 that I said. The F-15E has a max takeoff weight of 81000 lbs.

Again,, what the hell do you know about stealth paint. I guess your some kind of fuckin wizard and know what the meaning of life is too.

Link to the mach 2.5+??? Go punch USAF F-15 in Google and you'll find it pretty quick.