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  • #16
    Breaking News:

    Iran has tested missiles and capable of hitting Israel!!

    A Mission Statement?


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    • #17
      Originally posted by zraver View Post
      If I had to make a wager on who is still around in 1000 years the US or Iran. I would pick Iran. I am very proud to be an American, but we are to much like Rome. A disparete peoples linked by prosperity and the idea of America. Iran is an acient land that has seen the eons come and go.
      It took the Qin emperor only 30 years to forge a unified China. Before then the Chinese people thought of themselves as many separate nations. I would not bet against the endurance of our country's national identity. :)

      Getting a secret facility hidden 150km behind Damascus levelled by warplanes and a new net jamming technology might have something to do with that. Israel and the US did not just open a can of whoop as on Syria. That new net jamming technology was the equivalent of dropping a beer truck load of the whoop ass cans on them. The problem is, Iran has not been beaten yet.
      New network jamming technology?

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      • #18
        Testing of missiles is part of the brinkmanship. Who is going to blink remains to be seen.
        How long would a missile take to reach Israel from Iran and can it be detected with all the spy sats hovering around, and then shoot them down?
        If Israel thinks it can do that, then i think there is a big possibility of an attack by Israel.
        Im sure Israel must have given an allowance for an Iranian response before deliberating on an attack plan.

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        • #19
          A question about this.

          With all these missiles being launched about - will the US be picking all of this up on their radars as they are launched e.t.c

          I watched a video of them launching out to see from Iran - a few destroyers must be on higher alert and watching these right?
          Naval Warfare Discussion is dying on WAB

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          • #20
            More Missiles Launched Thursday

            More launches.

            FOXNews.com - Iran Test-Fires More Missiles in Gulf; Rice Issues Warning - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News

            TEHRAN, Iran — Iran test-fired more long-range missiles overnight in a second round of exercises meant to show that the country can defend itself against any attack by the U.S. or Israel, Iranian state television reported Thursday.

            The weapons have "special capabilities" and included missiles launched from naval ships in the Persian Gulf, along with torpedoes and surface-to-surface missiles, the broadcast said. It did not elaborate.

            A brief video clip showed two missiles being fired simultaneously in the darkness.

            The report came hours after U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Iran that Washington will not back down in the face of threats against Israel.

            "We are sending a message to Iran that we will defend American interests and the interests of our allies," Rice said Thursday in Georgia at the close of a three-day Eastern European trip.

            Among the missiles Iran said it tested Wednesday was a new version of the Shahab-3, which officials have said has a range of 1,250 miles and is armed with a 1-ton conventional warhead.

            That would put Israel, Turkey, the Arabian peninsula, Afghanistan and Pakistan all within striking distance.

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            Iranian Missile Test Wednesday's missile tests were conducted at the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic waterway at the mouth of the Persian Gulf through which up to 40 percent of the world's oil passes. Iran has threatened to shut down traffic in the strait if attacked.

            Oil prices jumped on news of Wednesday's tests, rising $1.44 to $137.48 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

            But another Iranian state channel, Press TV, quoted a senior Republican Guard commander Thursday as saying Iran would maintain security in the Strait of Hormuz and the larger Gulf.

            Gen. Mohammad Hejazi, chief of the Guards' joint staff, called the missile tests a "defensive measure against invasions," according to the channel's Web site.

            Iran will not jeopardize the interests of neighboring countries, he said without elaborating.

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            • #21
              Photo-shopped Missile?

              This reminds me of good ol' USSR, if true. On a serious note, how can you tell that there is an extra missile launched?



              FOXNews.com - Photo of Detonated Iranian Missiles Appears to Have Been Digitally Altered - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News


              A photo released by the Agence France-Presse showing Iranian military officials detonating four military warheads appears to have been digitally altered to show an extra missile, according to New York Times blog, The Lede. The photo was released amid news of Iran conducting controversial missile tests.

              According to The Lede, The Agence France-Presse reportedly obtained the photo from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's Media Web Site earlier this week. The photo ran on the covers of major media outlets around the world before anyone noticed the apparent error.The Agence retracted the four-missile version photo on Thursday, claiming it was altered by the Iranian State Media.

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              • #22
                I have a few questions...

                1. I don't know if this has been stated already, but, "Has anyone seen the article that one of Iran's latest missile tests were altered?" I saw some pictures and on one photo it shows that 3 missiles were fired and one did mis-fired. For the photo that was published to the world it shows 4 missiles total with the one that mis-fired erased.?

                2. It kinda looks like the missiles that Iran fired are some sort of scud, or equivalent? I know that the U.S. placed the patriot system in Israel in GWI,and was pretty successful, but since has been greatly improved.
                "If Iran would launch these missiles against Israel, what would be the success rate?" also, "What kinda firepower would Iran use against the U.S. 5th fleet?" and, "How would the U.S. fleet counter the attack?"

                Thanks!

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                • #23
                  Bloody hell.....this is getting worse every minute..

                  Whats happening to this world !!??!!
                  " THe SiLEnt KNighT.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post

                    Are you out of your mind? Where in the hell do you think these IED shaped charge explosives that are killing troops come from? Where do you think a good majority of these insurgents are being trained and who is training them. The tooth fairey?
                    IED's can be made out of anythign that explodes and Iraq had a lot of unused ordnace laing around. But, I think you mant EFP's. Unlike an AK-47 or an RPG the EFP does not come with a serial number and is so simple anyone who can work copper can make one.

                    Where is Al Sadr at present and exactly where has he been giving his orders from? Bermuda?
                    And your point is? We hosted Chalabi.

                    Iran supports,equips and trains Hezbollah that is fact. Hezbolla is a terrorist orgaization. That is fact undeniable fact. I guess the Quds force dont belong to Iran either.
                    What is the differance between Hezzbollah and say the Contras?



                    I would wager the U.S. I also might wager Iran probably wont be Iran in the next thousand years as it has not even been Iran for a thousand years merely since 1935.
                    Not true at all, the term Iran decends from Land of the Aryans and has been known as such since before Rome was built. Persia is merely the name of the state, not the nation.


                    I think you need to re read a bit about who armed him with said gases. It certainly wasnt the US government. More like a few crooked US businessmen that were tried and found guilty and are in prison form exporting the materials used in its creation.
                    The US Government approved the export licences (which also gave the green light to Holland and Germany), provided targetign data, sent Rumsfeld on a freindship visit after he started using gas etc. Saddam's gas is our baby.


                    Please for the life of me mention or please do quote anywhere in the previous post where I made such an assertion that America had anything to do with the reactor bombing?
                    You didn't, I did. The US has been working on a network take down technology.I am claiming we shut Syria down, and Israel dropped the bombs.

                    Iran could have its ass handed to it faster then they know. We want to settle it diplomaticaly but military use has not been ruled out. If we wanted too we could level it within days beyond doubt. All that proves is that we could do it if we wanted to not because we had to. Diplomacy still has a very good chance. The ball is on their court and we along with the U.N. are not going anywhere.
                    Iran only has to last 3 weeks and the oil runs out. From day 1 of a war the cost of oil will skyrocket, our wages won't. $400-600-800 dollars a barrel will ruin my family, and jsut about everyone I know. What good is going to war if we can't win it becuase of oil prices make our home front vulnerable?


                    Russia dont want the missle shield in place. Just how fast do you really believe they will fold if offered consessions. If we take action agaist Iran we just removed one of Russias biggest arms importers.
                    Russia sees Iran as a future satellite state. Russia's talk about the missile shiled is really meant for domestic markets to free yup money for the military which i still under-funded.

                    2) France has a new priminister. Different outlook on the problem.

                    3) China, That we shall see. With the right consessions nothing is impossible.
                    We have to get all 3 in a line, Iran only needs one to say no.




                    In Ironic reflection...Certainly not with Hezbollah launching rockets into villages on a daily basis. Israel should just launch rockets or MOAB's back in return instead of wasting their money launching sorties. The Palistinians dont care who they kill with the rockets so why should Israel. Once the death toll has climbed enough the Pals will turn on Hezbollah just to stop the rockets and bombings and then the cracks will show and the path that leads right back to Iran.
                    And none of that has jack to do with the illegal settlement building.



                    Very doubtful in the least.
                    what, 800 billion borrowed on 30year notes. My son is 12, 12+30= 42 if the war ended today.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by zraver View Post
                      Iran only has to last 3 weeks and the oil runs out. From day 1 of a war the cost of oil will skyrocket, our wages won't. $400-600-800 dollars a barrel will ruin my family, and jsut about everyone I know. What good is going to war if we can't win it becuase of oil prices make our home front vulnerable?
                      Z,

                      There's a problem with this scenario. How much would a 5 kg of rice cost in Iran?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                        Z,

                        There's a problem with this scenario. How much would a 5 kg of rice cost in Iran?
                        Perhaps not as much as you might think. All of Iran's major import partners are industrial or local powers according to the CIA world fact book. Food imports are fairly small. Iran is certainly better able to feed itself than say Germany in 1914. The real disruption will come from the destruction of the transportation and power grids, but this is already going to happen if war breaks out.

                        Short of dropping nukes we cannot punish Iran one bit harder for fighting back effectively as for fighting so badly they make Iraq look like the varsity team. No matter what they do we are going to hit the same targets so they have nothing to lose if war breaks out because they already lost everything. The measure of success will be in how much or how little damage the industrial economies take, not the beat down given to Iran.

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                        • #27
                          Z,
                          What's your pov?
                          Iran utmost can offer the US a lopsided victory?
                          sigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Stan View Post
                            A question about this.

                            With all these missiles being launched about - will the US be picking all of this up on their radars as they are launched e.t.c

                            I watched a video of them launching out to see from Iran - a few destroyers must be on higher alert and watching these right?

                            More than likely satellites will pick them up as soon as they are launched. Radar will pick them up a little bit later.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bella View Post
                              I have a few questions...

                              1. I don't know if this has been stated already, but, "Has anyone seen the article that one of Iran's latest missile tests were altered?" I saw some pictures and on one photo it shows that 3 missiles were fired and one did mis-fired. For the photo that was published to the world it shows 4 missiles total with the one that mis-fired erased.?

                              2. It kinda looks like the missiles that Iran fired are some sort of scud, or equivalent? I know that the U.S. placed the patriot system in Israel in GWI,and was pretty successful, but since has been greatly improved.
                              "If Iran would launch these missiles against Israel, what would be the success rate?" also, "What kinda firepower would Iran use against the U.S. 5th fleet?" and, "How would the U.S. fleet counter the attack?"

                              Thanks!

                              IRT your second question, I don't think Israel relies on the Patriots anymore. They use the Arrow missile system now, which is suppose to be a big improvement over the Patriots used in Gulf War I. Hopefully we never find out if the Arrow really is effective.

                              Not sure what you mean irt 5th fleet. Ballistic missile cannot be used against Naval assets, since they are designed for use against stationary targets. Iran's best weapons against the US Navy are suicide style weapons, mines, land launched cruise missiles, and submarines (although I can't see the Iranians risking their subs against the US).

                              Now, Iran could launch ballistic missiles against 5th fleet headquarters in Bahrain. I would imagine our response would be very swift and far more devastaing. It would come from Air Force and Naval air assets, along with cruise missiles launched from surface ships and subs.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Deltacamelately View Post
                                Z,
                                What's your pov?
                                Iran utmost can offer the US a lopsided victory?
                                My point of view is that war with Iran will be riskier than D-Day. There is not much doubt about the outcome, but how much pain do we want to bear to win? If the US can get 5 carriers into the region along with some amphib groups without Iran being the wiser to more than say 2 or each and strike first and hard without warning then the US could have a fairly cheap win. Iran's nuke facilities are secondary targets. The real battle will be for the Tunds and Qeshem Island. Take these down and Iran all but loses the ability to threaten the Straits of Hormuz. The US's single biggest advantege will be the first wave of attacks. We now have 3 SSGN's in service each with 154 Tomahawks. Each carrier group has a like number of missiles. Plus what ever airforce bombers can add along with pin point strikes in the itnerior vs C4SRI targets via B-2's and network take down plus naval air along the coast and we should be able to cripple Iran's warmakin ability. They will fire alot of SS missiles in return but I think we can get most of them if we are ready for them. Iran can't keep more than a small number active so initial responce will be small, building up as crews and missiles are mated up.

                                The flip side is if Iran gets wind of the build up they might strike first. At the very least a late night sea mining operation and call up of missile forces and naval forces makes the US fight for the Straits of Hormuz.

                                The wild cards are the GCC, if they secretly tell the US we can act. Even if in a backhanded manor thn we get to add a lot more USAF assets. Putting a bunch of F-15's and F-16's over the gulf to play escort to the USN ships left in the gulf to do decoy and ABM work as well as the tankers will play hell with Iran's naval plans. The other woild card is Israel. Iran will undoutably fire missiles at it. If Israel's ABM works they will probaly sit it out. If it doesn't work or if Iran gets a golden BB lik say hittin the Knesset building or some other high profile target that demands a responce expect Israeli action all through I am not at all sure wha they can actually do. They are a long way from any viable Iranian target especially if the US denies them the use of Iraqi airspace and declares a martime exclusion zone off Iran keeping Israel's subs with thier pop-eyes away.

                                I don't see much in Irag, the US Army and USMC will simply bunker down and kill the militias enmasse. Iran can't get an army into Irq as least not one big enough or well supplied enough to matter. The defeat of the Militias in Basra and Baghdad has been a huge blow to Iran's strategic posture. For awhile it looked like the Sadr Militia and Badr Brigades could play spoiler to the US Army, it doesn't look that way anymore.
                                Last edited by zraver; 14 Jul 08,, 21:32.

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