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Originally posted by entropy View PostNothing controversial about the movie. Things that have happened because of extremists following the Qu'ran.
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Originally posted by FullTank View PostUntill 9/11 Islam meant submission(to Allah). After 9/11 it means peace.sigpicFEAR NAUGHT
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Originally posted by T_igger_cs_30 View PostOk is this fact ? I have never heard this ....did they actaually change the meaning of the word after 9/11?Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
-Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry
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Originally posted by Tronic View PostThink he was trying to be sarcastic and hypocritical. Meaning, when on the back foot, the meaning changes from "submission" to "peace". Until, back on ones feet again.sigpicFEAR NAUGHT
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post
The Muslim world is not a monolithic one - There are Christian nations in Africa and South America that have committed genocide. The status of the Muslim nations, indeed any nation, needs to be looked at from a much larger perspective than merely religion.Originally posted by GVChampCollege students are very, very, very dumb. But that's what you get when the government subsidizes children to sit in the middle of a corn field to drink alcohol and fuck.
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View Post"winning bread" and "national interest" are reality. If Muslims or Muslim nations were the only ones to do so, perhaps your argument might be valid - but we aren't. Nations throughout history, religious and non-religious, have pursued flawed policies in the name of national interest.
They will be taken to task for what the outside world percieves as their faults. I for one would like good individuals like you to stand aside.
Every community faces criticism and stands up to scrutiny.Why should the Muslim societies be the exception?
Now, because that reality doesn't quite fit your attempts to denigrate an entity that has earned your dislike, that entity's actions alone are "condemnable" and a "pretext".
My personal opinion was that they were not simply satire, but a deliberate attempt to link Muslims with violence - Why shouldn't I oppose them?
It is used as nothing but a tool to gang up on the outside or the Muslim of the other sect.
Muslims are perfectly willing to see the other way when their religion is misinterpreted because they need to earn their bread. Good muslims should
continue to look the other way when non-believers fight the hypocrites.
How are Indians doing more for Darfur than Pakistanis (on a people level)? If you aren't doing much more, what gives you the right to criticize us for being complacent "so long as it doesn't hurt us"?
The "thuggery" and "bland radicalism" remains restricted to a minority - I made my arguments on that in the other thread.
The Muslim world is not a monolithic one - There are Christian nations in Africa and South America that have committed genocide.
The status of the Muslim nations, indeed any nation, needs to be looked at from a much larger perspective than merely religion
Neither development, money, socio-economic conditions make Muslims nations different from others. Except religion. There are all types of Muslim nations. And all of them *legally* discriminate minorities.
I have pointed out how, given a mere semblance of stability, Pakistan has progressed an amazing amount from the Zia years.
Turkey, given its own dynamics and history, has achieved even more. Merely looking at one aspect of a country (the dominant religion) to explain its flaws, is an incredibly flawed argument.
Apologies for delayed reply.
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Originally posted by HistoricalDavid View PostNot also 'submission'?Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.
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Originally posted by Kansas Bear View PostOk. So what is the verse number? I'd like to check it against my copy.Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.
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Originally posted by Big K View Postsubmission "to God" yes...Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
-Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry
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Originally posted by Tronic View PostBig K, although this doesn't go with the atheists and the Buddhists; but may I ask again, by "god", do you mean "god", or only the "Abrahamic god" (as I was told by a muslim elsewhere). I thought god was one? But according to a lot, if you did not get that knowledge through the Abrahamic religion's founder, then you're a Kaafir.
so i believe that anybody can not clearly know who have the word of God who have not,
the truth is; Quran does favor goodnes, and monoteism, theres only 5 musts of Islam, the rest is between you and God.
it is your conscience and heart who can only tell you the truth.
my belief is between me and God. anybody can judge me as a kafir.
for exemple a scientist who makes researches for humanity is more "Muslim" than me...Quran and Islam is a way to live more than a religion...
my view is politics and socio-engineers are using our sensitiveness...for exemple "disbelievers" by this word i believe that Quran mention about who did not believe in God.
you can believe to a different form of God,
but for me it is always the same...
you see what ever you heard about Islam which is not logic is false.
this is the key...Islam is the way of logic and ease.
imagine a book who starts with the order of "Read!"
the rest and todays provocations about Islam are misinterpretations and lies..thats all...Last edited by Big K; 02 Apr 08,, 15:53.Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none; be able for thine enemy rather in power than use; and keep thy friend under thine own life's key; be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech.
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Originally posted by Big K View Postsubmission "to God" yes...
Who is the arbiter and interpreter of what God says?
The clerics? This is not a viable answer in the modern world.
Each individual? Then seeing as you are referring your morality in a loop back to yourself, why not cast out God and clear the air?
And why should I submit to God, assuming he exists?HD Ready?
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