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    Any Life Left!?

    I absolutely love the battleship, and know that all of these ships will have a special place in history for what they have done, but I have a question for you professionals.............
    "If the **** hit the fan, would the battleship ever be called back into action?
    I know this might sound stupid to many of you, but I'm just asking as a armature that's all.
    I believe that the battleship is a great platform to launch many tomahawk missiles, and could be also be a great escort for Carriers.
    I know that they were taken out of service due to high costs, but what if they were transformed during a WWIII scenario that's all!
    Please.....!!!! I'm not very educated in battleships!! No sarcasm please.....
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    The old battle wagons have a place in the future as much as the past, in my opinion. In my day as a ground troop I would not have envisioned nor entrusted such a thing as the land warrior system.High tech has a way of coming back around to the tried and true. How complicated do we have to make it to kill the target?! Remember the k.i.s.s. principle(keep it simple stupid) for you non mil specs. How much other equip like that has the military EVER brought back into service after such a long period of inactivity? look at the B-52's.

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    I think battleships are done for. I think rocket ships will replace the role in direct fire, and indirect fire. They would be lighter which what the US aims for these days in just about every weapons platform.

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    "they were taken out of service due to high costs"

    On the contrary, O&M wasn't that high.

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    My uncle was in the Navy for quite sometime, and after seeing all the battleships being retired, he believed that it was a waste not to modernize them for the 21st century. He always knew that they were very expensive to operate, but he thought that there were a lot of features that could've been automated to cut manpower.
    He always would tell me how those 16" guns were great for ground support, but knew that it was old technology. He added that he always wanted to see these old gun turrets removed and be replaced with a type of missile turret system.
    After thinking about it for a while, I wondered if it could be possible...........
    I know that other ships in the fleet feature that type of a system, or vertical launch tubes for tomahawk cruise missiles, but could it work?
    Could these old battleships, like the B-52 bomber, be fitted with modern technology to extend there life?
    Before the aircraft carrier came along, the battleship was the ship to attack land or sea targets at a distance. When the aircraft carrier came along, these ships were pretty much made obsolete due to the reach of aircraft.
    I guess my main point and question I'm trying to get around to is, "could these ships be fitted with a long, medium, and short range surface to surface missile system to soften up targets before an air strike group would be launched to minimize threats?"
    Also, these ships feature many smaller guns on the sides.......could these guns be removed to open up more space for surface to air threats, or anti-ship weapons?
    Basically, the ship would be turned into one big floating missile platform.
    I'm not dreaming, or fantasizing, just curious!!
    What do you guys think?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella View Post
    My uncle was in the Navy for quite sometime, and after seeing all the battleships being retired, he believed that it was a waste not to modernize them for the 21st century. He always knew that they were very expensive to operate, but he thought that there were a lot of features that could've been automated to cut manpower.
    He always would tell me how those 16" guns were great for ground support, but knew that it was old technology. He added that he always wanted to see these old gun turrets removed and be replaced with a type of missile turret system.
    After thinking about it for a while, I wondered if it could be possible...........
    I know that other ships in the fleet feature that type of a system, or vertical launch tubes for tomahawk cruise missiles, but could it work?
    Could these old battleships, like the B-52 bomber, be fitted with modern technology to extend there life?
    Before the aircraft carrier came along, the battleship was the ship to attack land or sea targets at a distance. When the aircraft carrier came along, these ships were pretty much made obsolete due to the reach of aircraft.
    I guess my main point and question I'm trying to get around to is, "could these ships be fitted with a long, medium, and short range surface to surface missile system to soften up targets before an air strike group would be launched to minimize threats?"
    Also, these ships feature many smaller guns on the sides.......could these guns be removed to open up more space for surface to air threats, or anti-ship weapons?
    Basically, the ship would be turned into one big floating missile platform.
    I'm not dreaming, or fantasizing, just curious!!
    What do you guys think?

    Thanks!
    Yes Battleships could of been fitted with latest technology easily, but the US military thinks they are not needed since aircraft carriers can strike from offshore. On the other hand the marines are in favor of a battleship. Rocket ships the best solution. They can fire tomahawk missles, things like that, and being a ship borne MLRS, it can lay a high volume of fire. Big guns are outdated. Rugged true, but rockets can do what guns do without the huge weight of the guns. US Navy doesn't like big canons. The largest they use is the 5 inch 54 caliber, which is not that impressive.

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    Anything can be fitted to do any mission you want. It all comes down to cost. Are you willing to spend more money on less return?

    You have a delivery business. You deliver pizzas. Do you really want to restore that 1928 Duesenberg you have in the garage to do this or would you buy a brand new Ford Focus to do this?
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    Wasn't that horse beaten to death many times already, e.g. here ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shipwreck View Post
    Wasn't that horse beaten to death many times already, e.g. here ?
    This is a self resurrecting horse. He periodically comes back to visit us.
    "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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    Theres always this option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Theres always this option.
    Shave the horse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Anything can be fitted to do any mission you want. It all comes down to cost. Are you willing to spend more money on less return?

    You have a delivery business. You deliver pizzas. Do you really want to restore that 1928 Duesenberg you have in the garage to do this or would you buy a brand new Ford Focus to do this?
    True...........!!! But if you can use the same body and it costs $650 to restore the engine, and $340 for new tires, and an extra $500 for miscellaneous repairs...........that ends up at $1,490 to do the job!
    That opposed to spending $12,000 on something new..........
    I get you point though!........

    Thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Shave the horse?
    Nope.

    Send them to the breakers, chop them up and make razor blades out of them.

    Its the only thing that will stop the silly idea of bringing them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun Grape View Post
    Nope.

    Send them to the breakers, chop them up and make razor blades out of them.

    Its the only thing that will stop the silly idea of bringing them back.
    What would they be... Gillette triple action battleship special editions???

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