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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    1. It's not as easy as you said, but hey.

    TBD-1 BuNo.0353, Ex-NAS Miami.



    I guess what you ask for is described here. TBD-1 #0353 Location and Recovery

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    Yes, I cheated (googled), but I did it to show you once more that we live in an electronic era now.
    For the benefit of our studio audience at home, would you please put what is referenced in your own words so to answer the question presented?

    That is, while that section does say things that do answer the question, it also says things that don't answer the question.

    As far as cheating, you didn't, the answer was achievable two days ago after the first guess, without search by image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamara View Post
    For the benefit of our studio audience at home, would you please put what is referenced in your own words so to answer the question presented?

    That is, while that section does say things that do answer the question, it also says things that don't answer the question.

    As far as cheating, you didn't, the answer was achievable two days ago after the first guess, without search by image.
    Technically your question is naval one, not air force

    It's about changing the laws on how USN views their possessions, even when they are not interested in them and that noone, even with prior authorization can't retrieve them.

    So much from a mobile device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Technically your question is naval one, not air force

    It's about changing the laws on how USN views their possessions, even when they are not interested in them and that noone, even with prior authorization can't retrieve them.

    So much from a mobile device.
    Is not Naval Aviation Military Aviation? Where does it say in the quiz that questions must apply only to the Air Force?

    All right, to the point. This aircraft, a TBD-1 Devastator, #0353, has been a rather instrumental case in salvage law on the point of if you find something on the ocean floor, who owns it?

    The concept we might have learned in grade school that if there is no one living aboard, it is finder's keepers is meaningless when it comes to government property. It belongs to the owning government unless a very high governmental decision, ie that Act of Congress, states that it has been abandoned.

    Further, if one finds something from a government no longer in existence, say conceptually a Fw 200 Condor or a Confederate observation balloon, then it is the property of the succeeding government. That is, generally speaking, whoever won the war.

    The "good" thing about this is that it gives one legal standing for the protection of war graves, regardless of the craft, regardless of how long ago they went down. The bad thing is that it allows a government to always own their stuff regardless of where it is or how they care for it.........unless, of course, there is that decision on high that says it is ours no longer.

    So, if you find a U-Boat anywhere loaded with gold and other treasures....................KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

    Yours, Doktor...........

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    Just a reminder, Doktor, it is your turn to post a question.

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    It's not mine to say open question, to take away from another who won the last round..............but it has been over a month.

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    It is. Open.
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    Post away Tamara

    Rule of thumb is 6 or 7 days dormant and it and open thread.
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    Okay, jumping the gun here; since I'm sort of a Cold War military aviation buff, what was the original impetus behind the development of the MiG-25?
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    Overflights of the USSR by U-2 planes, as well as the Mach 2-capable B-58 Hustler and B-70 Valkyrie on the drawing board. Calls were put out for designs for a new interceptor that would be capable of reaching 3,000 km/h and heights of up to 27 km
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigross86 View Post
    Overflights of the USSR by U-2 planes, as well as the Mach 2-capable B-58 Hustler and B-70 Valkyrie on the drawing board. Calls were put out for designs for a new interceptor that would be capable of reaching 3,000 km/h and heights of up to 27 km
    Kee-rect!

    My (voluminous) reading points toward the B-70A Valkyrie as being the overriding emphasis for the development of the MiG-25; the B-58 was fast, but it was short-legged, so the threat there was mainly limited to the USSR's borders (unless it was on a one-way trip). The U-2 had already been shown to be vulnerable to the SA-2 Guideline, but the Valkyrie was a much more serious threat, with M3.0 speed, a 75,000' ceiling and a 4,000-mile range.
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    How much the Soviets knew about B-70A? Look at introduction years. They were so good and fast or some spy games took place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stitch View Post
    Kee-rect!

    My (voluminous) reading points toward the B-70A Valkyrie as being the overriding emphasis for the development of the MiG-25; the B-58 was fast, but it was short-legged, so the threat there was mainly limited to the USSR's borders (unless it was on a one-way trip). The U-2 had already been shown to be vulnerable to the SA-2 Guideline, but the Valkyrie was a much more serious threat, with M3.0 speed, a 75,000' ceiling and a 4,000-mile range.
    damn shame as the stopping of the B-70 also spelt the death of the F108 Both those aircraft were sporting design elements that were in some cases 30+ years ahead of other designs (cranked wings, winglets etc)

    (clarity - XF108 was killed off before the XB-70, but its mission intent was in a parlous state and had no chance of a "lazarus" once the XB70 prog was terminated. It did however end up spawning a few other developments including the A5/R5)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    How much the Soviets knew about B-70A? Look at introduction years. They were so good and fast or some spy games took place?
    They didn't have to know about the B-70 per se. They just knew that a replacement for the B-52, B-58 and U-2 were inevitable and on their way. So they started developing against a percieved future threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlvfr View Post
    They didn't have to know about the B-70 per se. They just knew that a replacement for the B-52, B-58 and U-2 were inevitable and on their way. So they started developing against a percieved future threat.
    Makes sense, however the question says "which planes", as to name them. I got it like the Soviets knew about them and came out with counter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Makes sense, however the question says "which planes", as to name them. I got it like the Soviets knew about them and came out with counter.
    The Soviets had their own versions which were similar in profile to US designs. eg the original design M56 was a Soviet version of the B58, the M57 was more like an XB-70

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