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    HAL to supply components for 300 Su-30 fighters to Russia

    HAL to supply components for 300 Su-30 fighters to Russia


    MOSCOW: India's state-run aircraft maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will supply components for the assembly of 300 Sukhoi Su-30MK multi-role fighters to a Russian aircraft manufacturer.

    Under the deal signed here last month during Indian Defence Minister A K Antony's visit, HAL will supply large components to Russia's Irkut Corporation for assembling the airframes of Su-30MK fighters. The Russian firm is working on Indian, Malaysian and Algerian export orders.

    "We had to cross several bureaucratic barriers over the years before this landmark deal could be finalised," President of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Alexei Fedorov said.

    The UAC official declined to divulge the value of the deal between HAL and the Russian firm.

    He said the highly successful Indo-Russian cooperation in the Su-30MKI project laid the base for the inter-governmental agreement for the joint development of the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGA).

    HAL to supply components for 300 Su-30 fighters to Russia- Airlines / Aviation-Transportation-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
    Quite ironic; the buyer selling to the seller their own product?
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    I guess the Russians are out-sourcing to India too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tronic View Post
    Quite ironic; the buyer selling to the seller their own product?
    Everyone does this all the time. American electronics companies design the product and then buy it from China or Taiwan. Go where the costs are cheapest, although in this case it might be more political.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
    Everyone does this all the time. American electronics companies design the product and then buy it from China or Taiwan. Go where the costs are cheapest, although in this case it might be more political.
    Almost certainly part of the deal was technology transfer and offsets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
    Everyone does this all the time. American electronics companies design the product and then buy it from China or Taiwan. Go where the costs are cheapest, although in this case it might be more political.
    Yes, that is true, but then does America does that with their defense products? And that too, with China?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glyn View Post
    Almost certainly part of the deal was technology transfer and offsets.
    Glyn, technology transfer for the Sukhois was in the original deal. Actually, in almost all of Indian defense deals, technology transfer is actually given a high priority and is a must.
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    The main thing is that it strengthens ties between Russia and other key players in the region, which may very well be the whole point behind unscrupulous sales of weapons to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tronic View Post
    Yes, that is true, but then does America does that with their defense products? And that too, with China?
    IIRC British Army uniforms are made in China.

    However, Chinese costs are lower in things like textiles and consumer electronics manufacturing, they are not necessarily lower in the extremely high-tech world of Raptors, Abramses and Nimitzes which requires extremely skilled labour for R&D and still very skilled labour and very expensive capital for production.

    Obviously America is a bit uptighter with its defence contracts anyway than it is with its clothes and there are federal regulations to that effect. But think of the US military's machine guns - manufactured by FN.

    However, the Russo-Indian strategic relationship is better than the Sino-US relationship due to what must be half a century of arms purchases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid View Post
    IIRC British Army uniforms are made in China.

    However, Chinese costs are lower in things like textiles and consumer electronics manufacturing, they are not necessarily lower in the extremely high-tech world of Raptors, Abramses and Nimitzes which requires extremely skilled labour for R&D and still very skilled labour and very expensive capital for production.

    Obviously America is a bit uptighter with its defence contracts anyway than it is with its clothes and there are federal regulations to that effect. But think of the US military's machine guns - manufactured by FN.

    However, the Russo-Indian strategic relationship is better than the Sino-US relationship due to what must be half a century of arms purchases.
    A little while ago (July 4?) it was "forbidden" to hang out US national flags made in China. Maybe it hurts their pride. They can wear and use Chinese products but not salute to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tronic View Post
    Glyn, technology transfer for the Sukhois was in the original deal. Actually, in almost all of Indian defense deals, technology transfer is actually given a high priority and is a must.
    The best of Russians is their instincts in aerodynamic design. This may not transferable even if they want to.

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    Having to buy airframes or parts from a licensee is rare but it does happen. We had to buy 60 F-86Es from Canadair during Korea.
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    The Su-30mki is a great plane and supprisingly has a wonderful avionics and weapons platform

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    Su-30 MKI is a joint venture between Russia and India. And I believe it is the first time Russia has Jointly developed an aircraft with another country (correct me if I am wrong).
    So I guess India too has learnt a few things from this venture, which it is supplying to Russia.

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