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    Thats really bad to see. Bet it hurts like hell to see your ship in that condition :( poor girls.

    Any reason they keep the Iowa in better condition? Or just because they like it?

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    Are these some of the same ships (4) that were towed to Hartlepool UK for dismantling , app 4 years ago, and i believe are still there as a licence has not been issued to the firm to dismantle them ( could have by now tho ) ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VarSity View Post
    Thats really bad to see. Bet it hurts like hell to see your ship in that condition :( poor girls.

    Any reason they keep the Iowa in better condition? Or just because they like it?
    Perhaps because she is still listed as a Cat B mobile asset and must be maintained until removed from the register.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankie View Post
    Are these some of the same ships (4) that were towed to Hartlepool UK for dismantling , app 4 years ago, and i believe are still there as a licence has not been issued to the firm to dismantle them ( could have by now tho ) ?
    These photos were taken just last October in 2006 after we finished our second inspection and evaluation of the Iowa. Only the MARAD people know exactly which ship is which. However, when asked about certain ships, they would point them out for us so we could photograph them.

    This is in Siusun Bay just off of Benicia, California (up the river and east of Vallejo and Mare Island).

    No, they were not tour guides but as they were manuevering their water taxi from one group of ships to the other to pick up other MARAD workers we got lucky with the views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Perhaps because she is still listed as a Cat B mobile asset and must be maintained until removed from the register.
    That is correct as well as both California Senators want the ship put SOMEWHERE in California as a museum. So when authorized visitors or inspection parties (such as mine) board the ship, there won't be any complaints about totally ignoring it.

    I must say, though MARAD funds are limited and once got an unqualified sub-contractor, they are doing a tremendous amount of work to keep the ship preserved.

    My hat is off to them.
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    Hey Guys,

    I just found this site, and quickly registered so I could ask for your help. My father served on the USS Papago, an ocean tug, during WWII. I have been doing some research on this ship, and the last record I can find is from 1997.

    I have a picture of the Papago in this ghost fleet in Virginia.

    Does anybody know what ships are still there? I fear this ship has been scraped by now. I would love to get close enough one time to lay my eyes on her.

    My dad passed away in 1993, and I find myself seeking all the information I can find about his naval service.

    Thanks for any info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaDon View Post
    I have a picture of the Papago in this ghost fleet in Virginia.

    Does anybody know what ships are still there? I fear this ship has been scraped by now. I would love to get close enough one time to lay my eyes on her.

    Thanks for any info.

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    Welcome to the World Affairs Board.

    The register of ships in the ghost fleets change weekly and I doubt there is any up-to-date list readily available to us common folk. However, if you contact the Marine Adminstration (MARAD) in Virginia they may be able to give you some information on the ship.

    Another possible source of info would be the Inactive Ship Facility back there generally in overall charge of mothballed ships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaDon View Post

    My dad passed away in 1993, and I find myself seeking all the information I can find about his naval service.

    Thanks for any info.

    VaDon
    You can order your dad's military records from the National Personnel Records Center and you can also get one free replacement set of the medals and ribbons he earned.

    You can also get the Presidential Memorial Certificate recognizing your dad's service to the country. Both records and certificate information can be located through Google.

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    Thanks for all the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAL's_pal? View Post
    You can order your dad's military records from the National Personnel Records Center and you can also get one free replacement set of the medals and ribbons he earned.

    You can also get the Presidential Memorial Certificate recognizing your dad's service to the country. Both records and certificate information can be located through Google.

    Do you know if something like this exists in Canada?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    That is correct as well as both California Senators want the ship put SOMEWHERE in California as a museum.
    Don't forget Congresswoman Nancy PELOSI !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    I must say, though MARAD funds are limited and once got an unqualified sub-contractor, they are doing a tremendous amount of work to keep the ship preserved.

    My hat is off to them.
    Well said, Dick.

    I wish some people had more moral integrity and would publicly apologize for claiming back in 2001 (Link#1, Link#2) that "MARAD does not have the ability to care for a mobilization asset like the Iowa".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Expat Canuck View Post
    Do you know if something like this exists in Canada?
    You'd probably have to check with the National Archives of Canada or the Chief Military Personnel (CMP) website as a start for military records.

    As for the Presidential Memorial Certificate, it was initiated by JFK in 1962.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    That is correct as well as both California Senators want the ship put SOMEWHERE in California as a museum. So when authorized visitors or inspection parties (such as mine) board the ship, there won't be any complaints about totally ignoring it.

    I must say, though MARAD funds are limited and once got an unqualified sub-contractor, they are doing a tremendous amount of work to keep the ship preserved.

    My hat is off to them.
    Mr. L. I dont doubt that MARAD is well capable of caring for Iowa, but would she not be better served in Norfolk with Whiskey? My reasoning is that since Whiskey is on the same bill as the Iowa she is well maintained from what collegues that have inspected her several times over have said. Would it not force the hands on care of the Iowa as well fitting the very same status as Whiskey. You know nobody would want her seen as delapidated especially when compared to her sister in reserve.
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