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  • Originally posted by JayTac View Post
    What I find to be very interesting is that the consensus in 2007 seemed to be that we would not receive much support against Iran. Now looking at things today under Obama much of the world powers are using very strong rhetoric against Iran and have rallied behind America. Yet, many believe that Obama is not handling this situation correctly???
    That is becuase of the June elections and the fact that pressure has been building for years, Do not forget that the EU has been behind us for years, it was Russia and China that were the hold ups, even then they voted for sanctions light, now Russia is playing quid pro quo with the USA over the missile shield.

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    • Originally posted by JayTac View Post
      What I find to be very interesting is that the consensus in 2007 seemed to be that we would not receive much support against Iran. Now looking at things today under Obama much of the world powers are using very strong rhetoric against Iran and have rallied behind America. Yet, many believe that Obama is not handling this situation correctly???
      Who was not behind us in 2007, that is behind us now?

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      • Originally posted by citanon View Post
        Who was not behind us in 2007, that is behind us now?
        Russia

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        • Originally posted by zraver View Post
          Russia
          Russia has voted for every set of UN sanctions so far, so nope.
          In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

          Leibniz

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          • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
            Russia has voted for every set of UN sanctions so far, so nope.
            But the Russians didn't favour oil sanctions, so they weren't put for a vote.

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            • Originally posted by Silent Hunter View Post
              But the Russians didn't favour oil sanctions, so they weren't put for a vote.
              Do they favour them now?
              In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

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              • Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
                Do they favour them now?
                They appear to be easing up on it.

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                • Originally posted by Silent Hunter View Post
                  They appear to be easing up on it.
                  I think "appear" is the operative word here. I hope to be surprised.

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                  • Surprise surprise???

                    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/28/wo...gewanted=print

                    September 28, 2009
                    News Analysis
                    Warmer U.S.-Russia Relations May Yield Little in Action Toward Iran
                    By CLIFFORD J. LEVY

                    MOSCOW — The Kremlin has long responded to proposals for tougher sanctions against Iran with arms folded and a scowl. Last week, that attitude began softening, bringing the Obama administration closer to a diplomatic coup in its efforts to contain the Iranian nuclear program.

                    But the relatively conciliatory statements by Russia’s president, Dmitri A. Medvedev, present an opening to the administration that could turn out to yield little. Russia, a neighbor of Iran, is far more intertwined with it geopolitically than any other world power, and has more concerns about upsetting relations.

                    Russia is also reluctant to mass the might of the United Nations Security Council against a single country, especially at Washington’s behest. That in part explains why Russia has historically sought to dilute sanctions, as it did in previous rounds against Iran.

                    Moreover, the Kremlin might go slowly because it senses that in a world where it has less influence than it did during Soviet times, it can use its veto power in the Security Council to ensure attention and respect. If Russia were to accede right away to calls for a crackdown, it would risk becoming just another country lining up behind the United States. The Kremlin’s pride would almost certainly not allow that.

                    Already, Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, appears to be positioning Russia to back away from the supportive stance suggested by Mr. Medvedev’s comments.

                    Asked about the announcement on Friday by the United States, Britain and France that Iran had failed to disclose a secret uranium enrichment plant, Mr. Lavrov said it was not evident that Iran had done anything wrong. He said it was premature to assert that new sanctions were necessary.

                    “As I understand it, there is no clarity regarding the legal issues,” Mr. Lavrov said.

                    He also chided the Western powers for not telling Russia earlier that their intelligence agencies had discovered the Iranian enrichment plant.

                    Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin, Russia’s paramount leader, who tends to be more hawkish than Mr. Medvedev toward the United States, in recent days has not echoed Mr. Medvedev’s views on sanctions.

                    Still, Moscow’s overall outlook toward the United States has unquestionably warmed in recent months, largely because of President Obama’s drive to “reset” relations, and that could ultimately be pivotal.

                    Mr. Obama’s decision this month to cancel an antimissile system in Eastern Europe proposed by the Bush administration has achieved a particularly galvanizing effect. The Kremlin had deemed the antimissile system a direct threat to Russia, though the United States had said it was intended to protect against attacks from countries like Iran.

                    Mr. Medvedev regularly expressed his appreciation for Mr. Obama last week, drawing a contrast with the tensions between Moscow and Washington in the later Bush years. Obama administration officials cited Mr. Medvedev’s remarks as proof that their attempt to engage Moscow was paying off, and could lead to action against Iran.

                    “We do have various doubts about what Iran is doing,” Mr. Medvedev said last week. “If all possibilities for influencing the situation have been exhausted, we could consider international sanctions.”

                    “Sometimes, there is no other option,” he added.

                    Russia has said that it does not want Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, but it has also articulated misgivings about Western assertions of Iranian nuclear advances. While Russia is not one of Iran’s largest trading partners, it does sell military hardware to Iran and is building a civilian nuclear power plant there.

                    What is clear is that Russia considers sanctions as not solely an Iranian issue, but one of several that revolve around its dealings with Washington. It is negotiating a treaty to reduce the size of strategic nuclear forces, and remains alarmed by the possible expansion of NATO into former Soviet republics like Ukraine and Georgia.

                    If those issues are handled to the Kremlin’s liking, then it will be more apt to agree to stiff sanctions.

                    “For Russia, Iran is a very good bargaining chip,” said Vladimir Sotnikov, a senior research associate at the Center for International Security in Moscow. “And that is why, for now, I don’t think that Russia is going to be ready to wholly support major new sanctions.”

                    The dynamic is complicated by China, another sanctions opponent with a Security Council veto. The Kremlin can publicly show more leeway toward sanctions — in essence, offering gratitude to Mr. Obama for canceling the antimissile system in Eastern Europe — while knowing that China may continue standing in their way.

                    China trades heavily with Iran, and its skeptical comments on Friday after the announcement about the new enrichment plant indicated how reluctant it may be on sanctions.

                    At the same time, though, if China senses that Russia is more amenable, the Chinese may feel that they have to shift because they do not want to be isolated.

                    And Mr. Medvedev’s criticism of Iran last week has put more pressure on its leadership before nuclear talks on Thursday in Geneva between Iran and the United States and five other powers, including Russia.

                    Even so, in interviews over the weekend, experts in Moscow were somewhat unconvinced that the Kremlin would back forceful steps against Iran, though they did not rule it out.

                    Vladimir Sazhin, a commentator at the state-run Voice of Russia radio and one of the nation’s leading Iran analysts, said it was important to understand that Russia considered Iran to be a vital ally on regional issues. After the disputed Iranian presidential election in June, in fact, Mr. Medvedev congratulated President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

                    Both countries are on the Caspian Sea and have territory in the Caucasus Mountains. (The Soviet Union had a border with Iran, but Russia is now about 100 miles away, separated from Iran by another former Soviet republic, Azerbaijan.) Both Russia and Iran want to prevent NATO from setting up bases in the region.

                    Mr. Sazhin said Russia had been pleased that Iran had not questioned Russia’s actions in Chechnya, a Muslim region in the Caucasus where the federal authorities have fought two brutal civil wars to put down a separatist Muslim insurgency.

                    “The Kremlin’s politics come down to the fact that they do not want to inflame relations with Iran, because of Russia’s regional interests,” Mr. Sazhin said.

                    Mr. Sazhin said he would not be surprised if Mr. Medvedev continued to imply that he was open-minded toward sanctions, in large part because the Russian leadership realizes that China may not relent and Iran will find a way to prolong the dispute.

                    “The Kremlin can play a good game because it knows that nothing will probably come of it,” he said.

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                    • Won't know for sure until a resolution is passed but they seem to be continuing with business as normal while using Medvedev's warm cuddlies to encourage Obama to make more concessions.

                      At least that's what I'd do....
                      In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

                      Leibniz

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