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    General Patton info request

    Hello, I am in progress with a model of General Patton (mentioned in model inventory thread) and have come to a stop with various items of clothing - his boots are non standard (or are they)?

    Does anyone have any info or links on where I can get better images in various views of his trademark boots? Where they bespoke or bought from a known manufacturer.

    Pistols, lots is said about his ivory handled pistols. Does anyone know who made them and what model number / version?

    Also, if there are any other items that have particular peculiarities could you leave some info / links please?

    Rustybattleship - I will post progress images but I am trying to get webspace / webhosting sorted out first. Presently I have progress shots but don't want to just post willy-nilly, quality rather than quantity.

    Thank you in advance for any information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by execrable View Post
    Hello, I am in progress with a model of General Patton (mentioned in model inventory thread) and have come to a stop with various items of clothing - his boots are non standard (or are they)?

    Does anyone have any info or links on where I can get better images in various views of his trademark boots? Where they bespoke or bought from a known manufacturer.

    Pistols, lots is said about his ivory handled pistols. Does anyone know who made them and what model number / version?

    Rustybattleship - I will post progress images but I am trying to get webspace / webhosting sorted out first. Presently I have progress shots but don't want to just post willy-nilly, quality rather than quantity.

    Thank you in advance for any information!
    As I recall, Pattons "boots" were not boots at all. Instead they were Army issue leather Leggins for Cavalry officers. Patton wore leggins like that during Pershings hunt for Pancho Villa and in WW I when he was a tank officer with French built Renault tanks. My late father-in-law wore leggins exactly like that when he was a Cavalry Officer in the Hungarian Real Army before WW II. Then when Germany took over he had to change to Jack Boots and a command car.

    Patton was not one to dress conventionally BUT did use authorized Army uniform equipment including his snake lock belt buckle. It was similar to officer's buckles issued in WW I and were copied after Civil War buckles.

    The gun he carried on his right side was a Colt Single Action Army chambered in .45 Long Colt. It was his favorite gun that he carried even in Mexico and took out a couple of Villa's "soldiers" with it. The other gun was a Smith & Wesson .38 special on a standard S&W "K" frame.

    Since Colt S.A. Army pistols were standard issue at one time as well as the .38 S&W (replaced by the 1911 Colt .45 ACP) he was never out of uniform. A bit dated perhaps, but even in WW II we still had some mounted troops that wore leather leggins and some carried S.A. revolvers as long as the Army kept supplying them with ammo.

    Also remember that at the start of WW II our regular troops did not have 9-inch boots as of today. They wore a high top shoe with Canvas leggins for brush and thorn protection. Later the boots were replaced with another type of high top with a leather shin guard that buckled on the sides. It wasn't until later in the war when the "Paratrooper" boots were made in enough quantities to issue to everybody.

    According to the movie with George C. Scott playing Patton (though he was far too short) the General also carried a .380 pocket pistol under his shirt.

    Not surprising as General Douglas MacArthur carried a double barreled .41 caliber Derringer under his.
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    Rusty,

    That was an excellent post. I did not know about the canvas leggins. My dad who was in the Royal Indian Army during WWII also has those. Except in the desert (8th Army) They would have been hot as hell!!

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    Rusty... I'm speechless.

    Thank you so much. I will dedicate the model to you when it's done. Also, if you want a resin copy (I never bother painting my models) you can have one free.

    Again, thank you SO much. texasjohn, thank you too. Priceless information.

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    Ooops. My error. Pattons S&W was in .357 magnum vs. .38 special. Found a great site showing his guns including his .380 hide-out pistols.

    General Patton's Pistols - Colt 45 and SW 357

    Will be coming up later with some pics I've found on leggins. AND a model of Patton (somebody beat you to it).
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    Hope these pics will help.
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    Rusty.. given a choice, who would you follow into battle ... Patton or MacArthur? (Hypothetical of course!! as you are Navy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Rusty.. given a choice, who would you follow into battle ... Patton or MacArthur? (Hypothetical of course!! as you are Navy)
    I don't know about Rusty but I don't think you could find a bigger magnet for enemy fire than those two!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave lukins View Post
    Rusty.. given a choice, who would you follow into battle ... Patton or MacArthur? (Hypothetical of course!! as you are Navy)
    None of the above, especially MacArthur. Nimitz had a better idea of beating Japan by destroying its Navy first. The islands could have been taken easier by setting up chow lines for the Japanese upon surrender when they got hungry enough.

    No kidding. One of my co-workers was a Marine demolition expert (also served on two Battleships). He said the Japanese soldiers were so starved they would sneak into our chow lines for food. They didn't disguise themselves very well but we felt sorry for them.

    Also, if you were in the back row watching a movie and heard giggling behind you, don't turn around. The Japanese were also watching Donald Duck.

    Personally, I think H. Norman Swarzkoph was our best General of the 20th century.
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    Creighton Abrams was probalby the best of the last 100 years but America had so many greats that it is hard to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    AND a model of Patton (somebody beat you to it).
    I never thought I'd be first, this was something I'm doing for me. Done far too many "creature" and spaceship models recently and so am challenging myself to a human and a very recognisable one at that.

    Thanks again to all for the info.

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    I may have been a tad off on what Patton's footwear was. I recalled the calf length tops as leggins like my father-in-law wore when he was a Cavalry Officer. I used to have them but apparently disposed of them because they were far too small for me (he was also a professional jockey and I'm 5-11). So I can't take a picture of them for you.

    But there was a type of Cavalry boot that looked like leggins and is claimed to be Patton's favorite dress-up foot wear.

    I also found an ebay item of the type of General Officer's buckle he wore.
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    Thanks for the pics Rusty - they answer a drawing problem I've been having working from this image -

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    I loved the story of patton urinating into the Rhine and I've been working from the pic above - however as you might see, the details are very blurred.

    Apologies for long delay, it's been incredibly busy here but I will get to some serious drawing and modeling in the next two weeks.

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    A couple of images from the metal workbench after I'd brazed the underneath Metal Structure together.

    (Nothing exciting so far but progress cheers me on...)

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