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    Quote Originally Posted by bigross86 View Post
    Dormant for almost a year and still not a necro. Impressive...
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    Actually, I think I rememeber Top (when he was top honcho) say that any thread that's revived after 6 mos. of inactivitely better have a damn good reason to be revived.

    This thread is a sticky thread. Since when is a sticky thread considered inactive?

    Also the post was on topic. The PLA(N) are supposedly hunting Somali pirates, will be using a port in Seychelles for resupply, and may be operating drones from the airport there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
    This thread is a sticky thread. Since when is a sticky thread considered inactive?

    Also the post was on topic. The PLA(N) are supposedly hunting Somali pirates, will be using a port in Seychelles for resupply, and may be operating drones from the airport there.
    Oh shit, you got me.

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    Can't you people read? I specifically said "Dormant for almost a year and still not a necro. Impressive..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFever View Post
    better have a damn good reason to be revived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigross86 View Post
    Can't you people read? I specifically said "Dormant for almost a year and still not a necro. Impressive..."
    Gotta love your ingenious excuses.
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    Seriously, I'm not seeing much benefit being added by some of the recent chatter.

    How about getting back on topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gf0012-aust View Post
    How about getting back on topic?
    Various events change motivations and strategy.

    Is China's motivation to defend their maritime shipping against Somali piracy in the western Indian Ocean leading the PLA(N) to more quickly learn to operate for extended time in blue water outside of the region local to China?

    What do you think about this?
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    JRT:

    Good morning. gf0012-aust isn't looking for excuses to go off topic. You can always start a new thread re China's blue water aims vis a vis it's pirate patrols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAD_333 View Post
    JRT:

    Good morning. gf0012-aust isn't looking for excuses to go off topic. You can always start a new thread re China's blue water aims vis a vis it's pirate patrols.
    Took your suggestion and started a new thread (here).

    Its not my objective to cause any problems on this discussion board.
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    The increase attention in the gulf of aden had resulted in the pirates widening thier net more deeper into the sea!!

    Do USN has any legal mechanisms to prosecute captured pirates at sea?

    The problem is that once arrest pirates, They cannot stop tour deployment and bring them back to the base or kill them in Cold blood.

    Most of the time, Navies just seize the captured pirates weapons and let them go!!!

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    How about this one (just popped up today):

    WASHINGTON -- A U.S. Navy destroyer has rescued an Iranian fishing boat that had been commandeered by suspected pirates just days after Tehran warned the U.S. to keep its warships out of the Persian Gulf.

    American forces flying off the guided-missile destroyer USS Kidd responded to a distress call from the Iranian vessel, the Al Molai, which had been held captive for more than 40 days, the U.S. Navy said Friday. The Kidd was sailing in the Arabian Sea, after leaving the Persian Gulf, when it came to the sailors' aid.

    A U.S. Navy team boarded the ship Thursday and detained 15 suspected Somali pirates. They had been holding the 13-member Iranian crew hostage and were using the boat as a "mother ship" for pirating operations in the Persian Gulf.

    Amid escalating tensions with Tehran, the Obama administration reveled in delivering the news.

    "This is an incredible story. This is a great story," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said, explaining that the very same American ships the Islamic republic protested for recently traveling through the Strait of Hormuz were responsible for the Iranian vessel's recovery.

    "They were obviously very grateful to be rescued from these pirates," Nuland said.

    The episode occurred after a week of hostile rhetoric from Iranian leaders, including a statement by Iran's Army chief that American vessels are no longer welcome in the Gulf. Iran also warned it could block the Strait of Hormuz, the strategic waterway that carries to market much of the oil pumped in the Middle East.

    The Iranian threats, which were brushed aside by the Obama administration, were in response to strong economic sanctions against Iran over its disputed nuclear enrichment program. Last week, President Barack Obama signed into law new sanctions targeting Iran's Central Bank and its ability to sell petroleum abroad.

    According to the Navy, the Kidd was part of the USS John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, which had recently left the Persian Gulf through the Strait and into the northern Arabian Sea.


    A Navy search and seizure team was taken by helicopter from the Kidd to the Al Molai and met no resistance from the pirates, who surrendered quickly.

    "The Al Molai had been taken over by pirates for roughly the last 40-45 days," said Josh Schminsky, a Navy Criminal Investigative Service agent aboard the Kidd. "They were held hostage, with limited rations, and we believe were forced against their will to assist the pirates with other piracy operations."

    Schminsky said the Iranian boat's captain thanked the U.S. for assistance. "He was afraid that without our help, they could have been there for months," Schminsky said in a prepared release.

    The U.S. team gave the crew food, water and medical care. Nuland said the crew then returned the Iranians to their fishing vessels "and they went on their way."

    The captured pirates remain on the Stennis while the U.S. considers options for prosecution and consults with other nations that have joined forces against piracy.

    "Sadly, this is not a new thing," she told reporters, citing more than 1,000 pirates picked up at sea who are under prosecution in some 20 countries. "So this is always a question of where to send them and who will do the prosecution."

    Asked if the rescue mission could provide a chance for a thaw in relations with Iran, Nuland declined to comment. She said the Navy had made a "humanitarian gesture" to take the Iranians onboard, feed them and ensure they were in good health before setting them off. She said the U.S. and Iranian governments have had no direct contact over the incident.
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    (this post is not a zombie, since the thread is sticky, this is not re-animating a dead thread)



    USN and PLA(N) in joint anti-piracy drills

    Follow this link to some pictures and descriptions on the PR flickr site for U.S. Naval Forces Central Command / U.S. Fifth Fleet.







    U.S., Chinese navies in joint anti-piracy drills off Somalia

    (Reuters, DUBAI, Sept 18, 2012) - The U.S. and Chinese navies have carried out drills to combat pirates off the Horn of Africa, the U.S. Navy said on Tuesday, in a rare joint military exercise between the powerful nations.

    Somali pirates have attacked hundreds of merchant ships in the Indian Ocean over the past few years, targeting everything from Middle East crude oil tankers to cargo ships loaded with Chinese goods bound for Europe and America.

    U.S. guided-missile destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill paired up with Chinese navy frigate the Yi Yang on Monday for training in boarding, search and seizure.

    It came during a busy week for international naval drills. The United States and its allies have launched a major exercise in the Gulf that they say shows a global will to keep oil shipping lanes open as Israel and Iran trade threats of war.

    American and Chinese sailors worked side-by-side as a combined team practiced boarding the Churchill, which was simulating a pirated vessel.

    "Piracy is a threat to the freedom of the seas, economic security, and the safety of mariners from all nations," Chris Stone, commanding officer of the Churchill, said. "Bilateral exercises such as this demonstrate the cooperative will of the international community."





    Chinese, U.S. Ships Conduct Joint Anti-Piracy Drill

    (BEIJING, AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE, Sep. 18, 2012) — Chinese and U.S. naval vessels have conducted their first joint anti-piracy exercise in the Gulf of Aden, officials said Sept. 18, citing the drill as a sign of improving security ties.

    The five-hour drill featured a Chinese missile frigate, the Yi Yang, and American guided missile destroyer the USS Winston S. Churchill, the U.S. Navy and Chinese state media said.

    In the exercise, the U.S. destroyer played the part of a vessel taken over by pirates, while a joint American-Chinese team boarded the ship to “rescue” the crew, the U.S. Navy’s Fifth Fleet said in a statement.

    “Executing the boarding side-by-side as a combined U.S.-Chinese team, the team successfully searched the vessel and provided assistance to the role-playing mariners,” it said.

    U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, on a three-day visit to China, praised the joint exercise as evidence that military ties between the two powers were advancing.

    “We noted that the United States and China just this week participated in a very successful counter-piracy exercise in the Gulf of Aden,” Panetta said in a joint news conference with his Chinese counterpart, General Liang Guano glee.

    “These exercises enhance the abilities of our navies to confront the common threat of piracy,” he said.

    Beijing lauded the drill as being “conducive to increasing mutual understanding and trust between the two navies,” state news agency Xinhua said.

    China’s deployment to the coast of piracy-plagued Somalia in 2008 marked the first time in modern history that Beijing has sent its forces well beyond its territorial waters.

    Panetta announced Sept. 18 that the U.S. Navy has invited China to take part in a major U.S.-led naval exercise, known as Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC), in 2014.




    US and China Team Up for Counter-Piracy Exercise

    By USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG 81) Public Affairs

    GULF OF ADEN - Guided-missile destroyer USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG 81) and other U.S. Navy assets participated in a counter-piracy exercise with elements of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (Navy) PLA(N) near the Horn of Africa, Sept. 17.

    The exercise, the first bilateral counter-piracy exercise ever conducted between the U.S. and China, paired Winston S. Churchill with PLA(N) frigate Yi Yang (FF 548) to conduct a combined visit, board, search, and seizure (VBSS) boarding.

    The focus was on bilateral interoperability in detecting, boarding and searching suspected vessels as well as the ability of both Chinese and American naval assets to respond to pirated vessels.

    “Piracy is a threat to the freedom of the seas, economic security, and the safety of mariners from all nations. Bilateral exercises such as this demonstrate the cooperative will of the international community and increases proficiency of multinational forces in confronting the threat,” said Cmdr. Chris D. Stone, Winston S. Churchill’s commanding officer. “We have common regional and global security challenges, and we are able to jointly address those by training together.”

    VBSS teams from both ships performed the boarding on Winston S. Churchill, which was simulating a pirated vessel. Executing the boarding side-by-side as a combined U.S.-Chinese team, the team successfully searched the vessel and provided assistance to the role-playing mariners.

    Participants felt that the training was meaningful, providing a unique opportunity to operate with alongside one another.

    “It was exciting to interact with the Chinese Sailors and cooperate in a critical environment,” said Lt. j.g. Edward R. Kellum, boarding officer for Winston S. Churchill’s VBSS team. “Anytime we work with a foreign military, it adds a different perspective to how we operate. However, to collaborate with the Chinese in an anti-piracy framework is a rare opportunity and a real achievement for maritime security.”

    Following the exercise, leaders from both navies discussed the elements of the boarding in order to learn how to better operate together in the future.

    U.S and Chinese leaders expressed how important and beneficial the training was, both in terms of building cooperative ties and development of techniques to counter piracy.

    “We’re appreciative of the opportunity to train with other nations to establish ties that will allow us to work together to face the piracy threat,” said Stone. “As fellow mariners we have great admiration for our Chinese counterparts who are sailing alongside us and other coalition partners to keep the sea lanes safe.”

    Winston S. Churchill is currently deployed to the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility conducting maritime security operations, theater security cooperation efforts, and support missions for Operation Enduring Freedom.
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    Meanwhile, thanks to Google, all known pirate ships can be tracked on Google Maps. Weigh anchor, me hearties!

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    I've been watching this nonsense from afar for ten years or so, and have come to the conclusion that the answer lies in the exploits of one Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, aka "Pompey the Great." Circa 67 BC he lead a campaign to remove the scourge of piracy from the Mediterranean. He not only hunted said pirates down at sea, and destroyed their ships, but more importantly, he attacked their bases on land and wiped them all out, crucifying those pirate leaders he captured, and killing or enslaving the rest. The Mediterranean was a very quiet Roman pond for many years thereafter. Now, crucifixion is a bit extreme, but until action is taken to decimate the bases from which these dirt bags operate, they will continue to be a problem. Either war is declared on them, or we just continue to put up with them as a "minor inconvenience."
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    Now, crucifixion it a bit extreme
    Send the Russian Navy.
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