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    Quote Originally Posted by Whill View Post
    disinformation !!
    Are you questioning the validity of the news. Please check Times of India for 20th of Sept.

    No govt nod to Navy for 'hot pursuit' of pirates-India-The Times of India

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    So in other words take no action, and dont protect your crews (citizens) nor shipping until you have permission that could take days/weeks. But I assure you this it wont take days/weeks for that cargo/ship/crew to see the bottom if thats their intention.

    I hope like hell their military dont fight like this
    Yes, that is exactly how our political leadership handle strategic situations. Our defence Minister wanted to give the Kargil intruders "safe passage". Our political leadership is very wary of "hurting sentiments" of everyone else except our own citizenry

    In other words, they are bunch of a$$ kissing, dirty diapered wimps

    I do not subscribe to peacemakers view that the Indian Ocean is the Indian' Navy's "baap ka jaagir" (own property, loosely speaking), but hesitating to put your put down when it matters is irresponsible

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    Quote Originally Posted by bengalraider View Post
    only in india!.....
    TRUE!!!!!:(:(:(:(:(

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    Can anybody provide some alternative source of information?
    Not that I am doubting "peacemakers" source.
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    chicken **** b a s t a r d s
    cut the navy lose i say and let them do their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolo121 View Post
    chicken **** b a s t a r d s
    cut the navy lose i say and let them do their job.
    calm down brother you and i live in a nation where the man who assassinated a prime minister( indira gandhi) was kept on trial for 8 and 1/2 years, these leaders have never served justice on time even to one who killed their kin they shall not serve justice for the common mariner anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bengalraider View Post
    calm down brother you and i live in a nation where the man who assassinated a prime minister( indira gandhi) was kept on trial for 8 and 1/2 years, these leaders have never served justice on time even to one who killed their kin they shall not serve justice for the common mariner anytime soon.
    sad but true :(:(
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    French lead fight against piracy surge

    French lead fight against Somali piracy surge

    Increasingly brazen attacks jeopardize the delivery of humanitarian aid and inspire calls for tough action.

    By Jonathan Adams
    posted September 23, 2008 at 10:05 am EDT

    The French government is leading calls for more aggressive international action against Somali pirates, amid an alarming surge in hijackings at sea.

    Those calls gained more urgency after the latest attack Sunday, when armed bandits in speedboats hijacked a Greek cargo ship and its 19-member crew. That brought the number of such attacks since January to 59, with more than 300 crew and 13 ships remaining in pirates' hands, according to an Associated Press report.

    The US Navy leads a coalition whose warships patrol international waters off Somalia. But that force has not been sufficient to deter the pirates, who are carrying out increasingly brazen and frequent hijackings and raking in huge profits from ransom money.

    The pirates are threatening maritime trade along key shipping routes in the Gulf of Aden and off Somalia's southern coast. That's caused insurance fees to spike dramatically. It is also complicating the delivery of humanitarian aid to Somalia, a failed state that can neither feed its own people nor assert its authority over rampant thuggery and Islamic insurgents.

    The Inquirer, a Filipino daily, reported that French President Nicolas Sarkozy has called for punitive action against the pirates.

    "The number of acts of piracy in the Gulf of Aden and off the Somali coast has literally exploded since the beginning of 2008 ... The world can't tolerate this." ...

    Sarkozy said the 48,000 ships that pass through the Gulf of Aden every year were 'all potential targets for these pirates who are striking further and further away from the coast.'

    The piracy epidemic is of particular concern to the Philippines, which is the largest supplier of seafarers by country. Some 250,000 Filipinos are at sea at any given time, The Inquirer noted. Many Filipino crewmen – including 17 of the 19 crew members on the Greek cargo ship hijacked Sunday – have become hostages in the recent piracy surge.

    France has taken the most dramatic action to date against the pirates.

    In a daring operation in April, French commandos freed 30 French luxury yacht crew members who were being held in a northeast Somali village. According to TheDaily Telegraph, a British paper, a French sniper in one helicopter blew out the engine of the pirates' vehicle, and three commandos leapt out of another helicopter to capture six of the pirates.

    Earlier this month, elite French frogmen stormed a hijacked French luxury yacht to free its two French passengers, killing one pirate and capturing six more, according to TheTimes of London.

    The Voice of America (VOA) reported Monday that Somali pirates are threatening to behead any European they capture if France does not immediately release their six comrades captured in that recent operation.

    The VOA interviewed by telephone a man who identified himself only as "Bileh," and claimed to speak for a pirate group based in the northern Somali town of Eyl – now a notorious pirate haven. According to the VOA, this group has made $30 million this year in ransom payments.

    Bileh insists the money ship owners are paying to free to their vessels and crew is not ransom, but fines and taxes being collected on behalf of the Somali people.

    Bileh says the ships are being fined and taxed because they are trespassing on Somali territorial waters. He says in the absence of a functioning central government in Somalia, his group is working hard to collect enough money to form a navy strong enough to protect the Somali coast from foreign exploitation.

    Eyewitness reports from Eyl suggest that pirates are using their share of the money to build palatial homes and to buy expensive cars. They are also believed to be purchasing increasingly sophisticated weapons and boats.

    A BBC report last week described Eyl as a coastal boomtown enriched by piracy, with an entire local industry geared toward tending to hostages, negotiating ransom payments, and planning and preparing more attacks.

    Bloomberg reported last week that international shipowners and a seamen's union had called on the United Nations to take "urgent steps" to improve security in the region's waters, which are among the world's most dangerous.

    Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported the piracy epidemic is also jeopardizing food aid shipments from the World Food Program.

    With marauding pirates on an unprecedented rampage, delivering much-needed food aid to war-torn Somalia has become impossible without a navy escort.

    A Canadian frigate shepherded a World Food Programme cargo ship carrying 4,000 tonnes of basic food goods into Mogadishu port on Thursday.

    Other European countries are contributing to antipiracy efforts. According to reports from GMANews.TV, a Filipino news website, Norway dispatched a warship. Reuters reports that Spain has contributed a patrol aircraft.


    French lead fight against Somali piracy surge | csmonitor.com

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    vive la france!

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    No pact with Somalia, can’t take action against pirates: Antony
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    Express news service Posted: Sep 25, 2008 at 0110 hrs IST
    New Delhi, September 24 Defence Minister A K Antony on Wednesday rejected the Navy’s request for a greater role in tackling piracy by conducting joint patrols off the Somali coast and employing any means necessary to protect Indian sailors.

    While asserting that India will find a ‘solution’ to rescue Indians onboard the hijacked MT Stolt Valor — taken on by pirates in the Gulf of Aden last week — Antony said patrolling would not serve any purpose. Antony also said India could not take offensive action against pirates who have hijacked the Stolt Valor as the merchant ship is berthed at a Somali port and India does not have an agreement with the country to send in troops.

    “The problem is that we have no agreement with Somalia on this. We are trying our best but the ship is at a Somali port and we have no agreement (to tackle the situation). We can act only as per the law,” Antony told mediapersons at the sidelines of the Coast Guard Commanders conference in the capital.

    Replying to queries on the Navy’s request to tackle piracy, the minister said the Gulf of Aden has become a ‘‘very dangerous place’’ and despite the presence of several navies, 27 incidents of piracy have taken place in the region. “Major naval powers such as US, France, UK and Canada are already carrying out joint patrolling there but despite their presence these incidents are happening. As many as 27 ships have been hijacked in the area despite the patrols,” he said.

    While Antony has made it clear that the Navy will not be given a free hand to tackle piracy given the present laws, the Navy contends that the Chief of Naval Staff be given direct authority to sanction action against pirates on the high seas. The Navy had requested clearance to draw up guidelines — specifying the force and method needed — to tackle piracy.
    i am so angry now, i can't even put it into words

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    It is unfortunate that the Navy cannot be used to keep the sealanes safe.

    What is this Blue Water Navy status all about?

    I presume it is another way of stating that the cost of fuel has made the Navy dock bound! )
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    oh for heck's sake.
    even the french are kicking pirate butt while our navy has its hands tied by the govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    It is unfortunate that the Navy cannot be used to keep the sealanes safe.

    What is this Blue Water Navy status all about?

    I presume it is another way of stating that the cost of fuel has made the Navy dock bound! )
    something that is never thought of when netas travel in hundred car cavalcades themselves

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    This is why i respect the policies of countries like Israel. Lets for argument sake say that the crew was Israeli.. The Pirate camp would be a smoking ruins by now and the hostages would be freed. If any crew where killed by the pirates, the IDF would not rest untill the pirates responsible where terminated. No case law, no international treaties, no sitting on ones hands because the paperwork is not in order.

    There is no point in India purchasing all this new equipment if the politicians lack the balls to make the hard decisions. This doesnt bode well for the future.

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    Pirates seize shipload of T-72 tanks

    I think these guys hit the jackpot...

    BBC NEWS | Africa | Somali pirates 'seize 30 tanks'

    "Somali pirates 'seize 30 tanks'

    Pirates off the coast of Somalia have seized a Ukrainian ship carrying T-72 tanks, an official has said.
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    Last edited by jlvfr; 26 Sep 08, at 14:52.

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