im probably a bit behind the ball on finding out about this, but have you seen this ships capabilities!? this is what the royal navy should be building, not overpriced under-equipped T45's
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http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/att...=7756&stc=1&d=
I don't know about its capabilities but I love how it looks. Hopefully it lives up to expectations.
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http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/att...1&d=1177455438
Here's some more pics and some weapons options
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It is a great looking vessel to me and it does offer some interesting capabilities, but it could be improved. Even as few as 8 VLS cells would allow you to carry up to 32 ESSMs. Add to that the RAM launcher and Phalanx (I think she'll carry one) and you have a solid self defense capability. Also, the 76 mm gun has superior range and throw weight over the 57, easily worth the increased space and weight.
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Originally posted by Wraith601 View PostIt is a great looking vessel to me and it does offer some interesting capabilities, but it could be improved. Even as few as 8 VLS cells would allow you to carry up to 32 ESSMs. Add to that the RAM launcher and Phalanx (I think she'll carry one) and you have a solid self defense capability. Also, the 76 mm gun has superior range and throw weight over the 57, easily worth the increased space and weight.
http://www.gdlcs.com/documents/MMC-Brochure.pdf
CheersLearn from the past. Prepare for the future.
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Originally posted by Tasman View PostA VLS system for ESSM would be valuable and the GD site lists the Mk41 as an example of a system that is capable of being installed. I agree with you re the 76mm gun. Space and weight is provided for up to 32 VLS cells (4x8), 8 Harpoon canisters (2x4) and 2 x Phalanx CIWS.
http://www.gdlcs.com/documents/MMC-Brochure.pdf
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sounds like they are trying to cram too much stuff into too small of a hull...VLS is fine, but if it adds too much weight and slows down the ship, what good is it.. besides the Arleigh Burke over the horizon will have plenty of VLS cells to take care of what needs to be done..
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Originally posted by dundonrl View Postsounds like they are trying to cram too much stuff into too small of a hull...VLS is fine, but if it adds too much weight and slows down the ship, what good is it.. besides the Arleigh Burke over the horizon will have plenty of VLS cells to take care of what needs to be done..
the trimaran hull is kinda designed to offset the weight vs. speed issuesROAD WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by dundonrl View Postsounds like they are trying to cram too much stuff into too small of a hull...VLS is fine, but if it adds too much weight and slows down the ship, what good is it.. besides the Arleigh Burke over the horizon will have plenty of VLS cells to take care of what needs to be done..
The weight isn't the problem, its the distribution of the weight I've seen complaints about. Too much stuff at the rear and not enough forward. Besides who really needs a 40 knot minesweeper anyway? In my view the LCS would have been fine with a speed of 30-35 knots, the money saved on larger engines and other systems could have been used to buy more weapons modules and for a intergal VLS.
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Originally posted by Wraith601 View PostThe LCS is designed for modularity. Instead of putting every type of weapon on one ship, a la the Burke, it swap packages based on the mission.
The weight isn't the problem, its the distribution of the weight I've seen complaints about. Too much stuff at the rear and not enough forward. Besides who really needs a 40 knot minesweeper anyway? In my view the LCS would have been fine with a speed of 30-35 knots, the money saved on larger engines and other systems could have been used to buy more weapons modules and for a intergal VLS.
If we wanted to make a frigate, we should've made a frigate.
Just MHO.
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Originally posted by B.Smitty View PostThe LCS program is already having cost blowout issues. Adding a VLS and associated radar and fire control upgrades would only make this worse. Remember, it is supposed to be a relatively inexpensive sea truck, not a frigate.
If we wanted to make a frigate, we should've made a frigate.
Just MHO.
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