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    Canada to purchase new Tanks

    Canadian Forces expected to renew aging fleet of tanks

    According to this article, the announcment will be made today. Tanks will be purchased from the Neatherlands, as well as 20 will be leased from Germany.

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    Replace old tanks with more old tanks?

    Canada would be better off if they purchased 50 M1A2 Abrams MBTs from the US, which would be far more capable than 114 Leopard C2 MBTs. Also the UK is reducing is Armoured force from 286 Challenger MBT to 166 Challanger MBT, so Canada could buy the 120 Challenger MBT the UK wants to get rid of, which would also be better than old Leopard MBTs from the Netherlands.

    Both the M1A2 Abrams and the Challenger II MBTs would be a far better investment than old worn out Dutch Leopard MBTs.

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    At $350K CANADIAN a copy?

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    Why not buying new equipment direcly from Germany?

    Also, by combining the Challengers with anything smoothbored, one receives logistical complications. The ammo is not interchangeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canmoore View Post
    Canadian Forces expected to renew aging fleet of tanks

    According to this article, the announcment will be made today. Tanks will be purchased from the Neatherlands, as well as 20 will be leased from Germany.
    Is it normal procedure for Canadian forces to lease tanks and other equipment like this?
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    Leasing just require the Minister's approval for such a small amount. It comes out of the operational budget instead of the capital budget which requires cabinet approval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    Canada would be better off if they purchased 50 M1A2 Abrams MBTs from the US, which would be far more capable than 114 Leopard C2 MBTs. Also the UK is reducing is Armoured force from 286 Challenger MBT to 166 Challanger MBT, so Canada could buy the 120 Challenger MBT the UK wants to get rid of, which would also be better than old Leopard MBTs from the Netherlands.

    Both the M1A2 Abrams and the Challenger II MBTs would be a far better investment than old worn out Dutch Leopard MBTs.
    Abrams are huge overkill for fighting guerrillas. These will be more than sufficient for protecting troops and attacking infantry type targets.

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    Plus, I haven't heard that the UK is gonna sell their Challenger IIs.. they are prolly just not gonna operate them because they don't deploy a whole armored division anywhere anymore. They are prolly gonna keep the tanks in reserve.
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    Old but slightly younger outdated tanks to replace older outdated tanks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taurkon View Post
    Abrams are huge overkill for fighting guerrillas. These will be more than sufficient for protecting troops and attacking infantry type targets.
    Over long term life view a Challenger II MBT or M1A2 Abrams MBT would stay potent into the future much longer than an old Dutch Leopard MBT. Buying more old Leopard MBTs to replace even older Leopard MBT's is just a stop-gape measure. Paying more for a more capable and more modern MBT would sustain the Canadian Army Armoured Force into the future much longer than purchasing an old but slightly younger outdated Dutch Leopard MBTs to replace even older outdated Canadian Leopard MBTs.

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    The LEO2 A6M is the same generation as the M1A2.

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    Though the internal ammunition stowage (AFAIK) is a bit worrisome, in Afghanistan these things should be pretty same and effective. And probably cheaper, logistically speaking, than an Abrams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    Over long term life view a Challenger II MBT or M1A2 Abrams MBT would stay potent into the future much longer than an old Dutch Leopard MBT. Buying more old Leopard MBTs to replace even older Leopard MBT's is just a stop-gape measure. Paying more for a more capable and more modern MBT would sustain the Canadian Army Armoured Force into the future much longer than purchasing an old but slightly younger outdated Dutch Leopard MBTs to replace even older outdated Canadian Leopard MBTs.
    Considering the current tanks are still capable fighting vehicles this is a very wise choice. Purchasing a new type of tank would just increase logistical and training problems and Canada won't be in Afganistan for ever.
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    $650 million for aging tanks, which will be obsolescent as the ones they are replacing within a decade.

    All so we can do what? Forty or fifty operational tanks are going to end the guerrilla war in Afghanistan?

    It's just another chapter in the history of Canadian defense spending. A history marked by the utter inability to think from first principles.

    Let's trace the real thinking here: the government is looking to save a handful of lives from remote-controlled mines, in the hope that a slightly lower casualty rate will prevent the Afghan War from becoming unpopular.

    in other words, our government is thinking completely backwards, focusing neither on the country's defense needs nor on the strategy of the Afghan War itself, but instead plainly obsessed with the domestic media image of that war.

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