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    Good work, leader.

    " interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide..." OBL

    Infact radical islamism is a mirror image of totalitarianism, it's relationship with communism and facism is no accident -- unfortunately many are not familiar with the works of Maududi and Qutb, but you choose ot remain ignorant of these men and their works at your own risk. Below is yet another example of rejection and extremism:

    Thousands protest against US-Greater ME forum in Rabat

    RABAT: Tens of thousands of Moroccans, most of them Islamic radicals, took to the streets of Rabat on Sunday to protest a planned forum on US President George W Bushís vision of a "Greater Middle East" to be held in the Moroccan capital next month. The march, which drew between 30,000 and 45,000 people according to press tallies and about 25,000 according to police, also included long lines of women wearing headscarves marching separately from the men.

    The demonstration was jointly organised by the Action Group in Support of Iraq and Palestine and the Moroccan Cell Against the Forum for the Future, a project formally presented in June by President George W Bush which has been treated with reserve in the Arab world, including Morocco.

    The forum, set for December 11, is an outgrowth of the US-backed "Broader Middle East and North Africa" initiative endorsed by the Group of Eight (G8) industrialised countries aimed at promoting democratic reforms in the Middle East, north Africa and nearby areas including Iraq, Afghanistan and South Asia.

    Foreign and finance ministers from more than 20 countries of the Middle East and north Africa are expected at the forum along with those of the G8 countries-the United States, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Japan, Canada and Russia-plus international organisations.

    Protesters burned Israeli flags and several mock coffins could be seen symbolizing the "death" of the United Nations, "global conscience," human rights and "Arab regimes."

    Waving Iraqi and Palestinian flags as well as portraits of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas who was assassinated by Israeli forces in March, they shouted: "Muslim Palestine, No Negotiations, No Peace, No Defeatist Solutions." "Fallujah (The Iraqi Sunni rebel bastion seized by US-led forces) Resists While (Arab) Regimes Speculate" was another slogan
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    Are we really surprised that they take exception to us hosting conferences about their future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trooth
    Are we really surprised that they take exception to us hosting conferences about their future?
    So we can't fight them, and we can't talk to them. What's left? Convert and comply?
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administrationís goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. Itís the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    So we can't fight them, and we can't talk to them. What's left? Convert and comply?
    We can talk to them. But i am not convinced we deciding to host a conference on their future is the best approach. I guess we should work behind the scenes to get buy in for the conference, then ask the Arab's which, if any, of the G8 they want there. Then they can host and run, and we, or Germany, or Russia or whatever can be invited along in whatever role the Arb league want.

    The way this is written is that the G8 (or perhaps just Mr Bush regarding his vision) decided it would be a lark to debate the future of someone else's part of the world and then invited the locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarek
    Good work, leader.

    " interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide..." OBL

    Infact radical islamism is a mirror image of totalitarianism, it's relationship with communism and facism is no accident -- unfortunately many are not familiar with the works of Maududi and Qutb, but you choose ot remain ignorant of these men and their works at your own risk. Below is yet another example of rejection and extremism:
    The same is to be said of confucianism and all semitic religions. And probably all the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie
    I merely compared the rapid decline of suicide bombings in Palestine after the fall of Saddam to entertain the possibility that the probability of Saddam paying those suicide bombers substantial amounts of money could very well be true.
    supposition at best: it could also be because Israel had begun building 'the wall', further restricted palestinian travel, or that the PLO was trying to moderate Hamas behaviour, or that everyone's attention and focus has been placed on Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trooth
    Are we really surprised that they take exception to us hosting conferences about their future?
    nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trooth
    We can talk to them. But i am not convinced we deciding to host a conference on their future is the best approach. I guess we should work behind the scenes to get buy in for the conference, then ask the Arab's which, if any, of the G8 they want there. Then they can host and run, and we, or Germany, or Russia or whatever can be invited along in whatever role the Arb league want.

    The way this is written is that the G8 (or perhaps just Mr Bush regarding his vision) decided it would be a lark to debate the future of someone else's part of the world and then invited the locals.
    yeah, just swap the names of the countries so that the middle east, nth africa etc were proposing a forum on how best to effect democratic change in the US and Europe, then invited them along to tell them. doesn't read quite so well from a western perspective then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trooth
    Are we really surprised that they take exception to us hosting conferences about their future?
    And doing it themselves is working great so far.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by parihaka
    yeah, just swap the names of the countries so that the middle east, nth africa etc were proposing a forum on how best to effect democratic change in the US and Europe, then invited them along to tell them. doesn't read quite so well from a western perspective then.
    You bet because they wouldn't be discussing democratic change they would be talking about establishing dictatorships.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarek
    Good work, leader.
    I aim to please.

    " interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide..." OBL
    I was thinking of putting that in my signature to goad the leftists.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    You bet because they wouldn't be discussing democratic change they would be talking about establishing dictatorships.
    doesn't really matter if you call it dictatorship, democracy or great aunt fanny's political musings, it's still colonisation

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    Quote Originally Posted by parihaka
    doesn't really matter if you call it dictatorship, democracy or great aunt fanny's political musings, it's still colonisation
    It's called Freedom, but if you want we can get an island all your own and put all the other people that believe there is no difference between democracies and dictatorships. Youíll have lots of nice people there with you like Saddam, Hitler, Stalin and OBL.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    ok saddam was a killer, there is no doubt of that, but his attitude was that of an expansionist dictator, his wars were fought for territory and the kurds were gassed for supporting iran during the 80s, treason is always dealt with harshly. This kind of behaviour is no worse than many african regimes, and nobody is rushing to war with them. Therefore the moral stance for saving the poor iraqi people is not a principle reason for being in iraq

    grandpa bush's gulf war was fought to protect saudi arabia and retake kuwait, in return the saudi's must pay america huge sums of oil and allow US troops to be based in their country which makes ofcourse makes a lot of people unhappy, the US get what they want and saddam is not finished off. He is restricted by the UN to trading oil for food with whoever he wants, so he understandable chooses france, china and russia and also does some trade with them on the side. i.e lots of money is going everywhere but the US. Then with 9/11, the economic downturn and problems in relations with the saudis, an opportunity appears for bush the younger to solve america's cash problems by sorting out his pop's mistake and make americans feel safer with a premptive strike on a country which dislikes them and may have WMDs.

    These are the reasons why I think the war was fought and the reason why there are troops in Iraq

    Ok here's where i add my opinions. what annoy's me is the lying and the spin doctoring, stuff like how terrorists 'hate freedom' and tony blair telling us (yes i'm british) that if saddam felt like it he could hit london with chemical or biological warhead 45 mins after he gave the order. Iraqs military was a joke and he didnt have WMDs, could the intelligence services have been wrong? unlikely. by lying this bush-bliar alliance just spreads mistrust and by saying this war was for the iraqi people just insults the public.

    I hear the was was not legal because it was vetoed in the UN, this is more rubbish. france, russia and china were making cash and didnt want to change things, so it was to hell with the UN and time to slander them for not helping in the 'war against terror'. and now when the war is won and contracts are handed out ofcourse none go to these countrys. here's where the naive among us say Dam Right! their lower class citizens didnt go there to fight.

    I would prefer it if I heard that we were going to war to make our countries richer and push the obesity levels higher. atleast i wouldnt feel insulted


    So in conclusion, troops are dying, iraqis civilians are dying and terrorists have a front and are ironically using locals (who are willing to fight for freedom from occupation) to fight the americans for them. More people around the world dislike
    america + side kick britain, relations are damaged with russia, the EU and china and for some reason oil prices are unbelievably high. Good Show!

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    Hokum, please ad 'rectum kissing Australia' to your last paragrahp please.

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