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    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
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    We're amongst the first to complain but go to France / Spain or to Greece and see the little "Englands" and "English Pubs" there.
    Usually opened by locals to gain from the tourist trade. In fact the only English pub where I live is owned by Canadians
    Really? You would be willing to bet that all those pubs and "Full English Breakfast" places on the holiday resorts are Spanish (local) or Greek or whatever owned? You'd put money on it?

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    You won't find many Brits who can speak in much local language other than to ask for two beers or chips with their food.
    Your point is ?
    My point is that we demand the Muslims (and any other foreigners) learn our language and our ways if we let them in. So why don't we hold to the same rule when we go overseas? The French have resisted far better than the Spanish but they are nearly as big an economy as we are.

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    we can't complain if we Brits aren't prepared to learn some French or Spanish for our holidays / contract work overseas.[/
    If it is required for work I am sure you will find that they are already qualified or will learn it, how can they be hired if the spoken language is required....mute point.
    No, I disagree. My point is you will see people demanding those "damn foreigners" learn our ways and integrate - we don't hold ourselves to the same demands when we go to other countries. I see you don't think a) that is the case or b) that we should?

    Do you doubt the example of "Brits Abroad?"

    Moreso - have you ever been to the holiday resorts or even seen how we're changing the economies in France, Spain and Greece with our buying power?

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    Xerxes,

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    [QUOTE=execrable;347178]My point is that we demand the Muslims (and any other foreigners) learn our language and our ways if we let them in. So why don't we hold to the same rule when we go overseas? ]

    No, I disagree. My point is you will see people demanding those "damn foreigners" learn our ways and integrate - we don't hold ourselves to the same demands when we go to other countries. I see you don't think a) that is the case or b) that we should?

    Do you doubt the example of "Brits Abroad?"

    Moreso - have you ever been to the holiday resorts or even seen how we're changing the economies in France, Spain and Greece with our buying power?
    I see the angle you are trying to approach this from, but think you are a bit "off beam" (Navy speak? )

    In my experience of foriegn travel, I agree that some "Brits" as tourists tend to try and speak English as much as possible, believing that everyone else should adapt (I don't agree with the view).
    If I constantly visited Spain year in year out, then I would obviously learn the language better than a holiday maker But as I tend to hop around from country to country as much as my pocket allows, and not always visiting a non-English speaking country, I only tend to pick up the more useful or common phrases.
    I did work in France for 18 months when I 1st left the Army ( but the variety of wine and cheap beer was good ), and although working alongside other Brits, became quite conversant.
    I would expect anyone expecting to live (rather than just visit) in a country to learn the language, as I have seen Brits do that have settled and have businesses abroad, otherwise how would they operate with people like suppliers and the local government officials.
    I am not aware of any other country in Europe that spends as much money, or goes to as much length at providing multi-ligual instruction or information as us here in the UK, everything from the ingredients of a Mars bar to how to claim benefits
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parihaka View Post
    The trouble is that neither Pubfather nor you are right, although I do feel akin to pubfather in constantly having to rehash these issues.

    Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom with a total of 1,591,000, (or 2.7% of the total population) Muslims residing as of the 2001 Census. Wiki
    From these numbers we can ascertain that 30% of that 1.5 million gives us 477,300 people who said they would prefer to live under strict Islamic Sharia law rather than England's democratic system.
    397,750 British Muslims said the July 7, 2005, terror bombings in London, which killed 52 innocent commuters, were justified.

    Remember, this is based on 2001 statistics, and as British Muslims are on the increase, these numbers will be larger at the time of the poll.

    So....
    Firstly we can identify this as a muslim problem because fully 25% believe that the terrorist bombings were justified. Any group this large that has this many followers who believe in mass murder can rightly be targeted as having some inherent problem.
    To deny that group has a problem based on their percentage of the total population is an irrelevant strawman unless the total population has the same belief, which I very much doubt you wish to argue.
    So, despite all the rhetoric of victimisation or 'targeting', we can rightly identify British Muslims as being a group which deserves special attention in the fight against terrorism and mass murder.

    Now, what is to be done?

    The obvious is that Islam cleans its own house, but this isn't happening. Rather there is the aforementioned attitude of victimisation.
    Abu Izzadeen until his arrest was still preaching and other radical imams still are: his videos along with other radical Imams are still available, as are radical books sold through Islamic bookstores and directly from Mosques.
    now I've heard arguments that the new laws on terrorism are an infringement of peoples rights and targeted at Islam, but the crimes of sedition, treason etc and incitement to the aforementioned have always been crimes within British society and the rewording of them to cover terrorism are based on the same criteria as the originals.

    So, such incitement has always been illegal, a specific group can rightly be targeted as responsible for that incitement, and there is no indication that the group is doing anything to prevent it from happening.


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    21/7 suspects arrest video shown

    Footage of two 21 July bombing suspects as they surrendered to police has been shown to jurors.

    Muktar Ibrahim, 29, and Ramzi Mohammed, 25, were filmed emerging naked from the waist up onto the balcony of a flat in west London.

    Woolwich Crown Court was told police blew off the property's front door and hurled CS gas inside before the pair came out in their underpants.

    All six defendants deny charges of conspiracy to murder.

    Hands raised

    The four minutes of footage was taken during the two-and-a-half hour siege at Mr Mohammed's Delgarno Gardens flat on the morning of 29 July 2005.

    Firearms officers in helmets and flak jackets could be seen along the balcony as smoke billowed out of the property, before the pair emerged with their hands raised above their heads.

    The jury was told by one officer that the men were ordered to strip to their underwear in case they were concealing explosives in their clothes.

    Firearms officers were sent to the flat after receiving intelligence, the court heard.

    The door was blown off and gas canisters were thrown into the front of the building through the doors and window. Shortly afterwards, gas was thrown into the back of the flat.

    Eventually, alleged Number 26 bus bomber Mr Ibrahim emerged onto the balcony, followed by Mr Mohammed, the alleged Oval bomber. Both were later arrested.

    The firearms commander at the scene, who can only be identified as Whisky Alpha, told the jury that officers tried to negotiate with the two men, but they received no response.

    He said another officer, referred to as Purple Four, asked Mr Ibrahim if there was anything inside the flat that could hurt him and his colleagues.

    'On your mind'

    Whisky Alpha said Mr Ibrahim replied: "What, like explosives?"

    Purple Four said that was what he meant. Mr Ibrahim responded: "No, nothing like that'."

    During cross-examination, George Carter-Stephenson QC, for Mr Ibrahim, asked Whisky Alpha whether anyone heard one of the men say: "Why are you shooting at my flat?"

    The officer replied: "I never heard anyone say anything."

    Mr Carter-Stephenson continued, referring to the death of Jean Charles de Menezes: "This was a number of days after a Brazilian had been shot at Stockwell Tube station.

    "No doubt that was something that was on your mind at that time?"

    The officer said: "Of course, my concerns were for the public, for my officers, with the balcony."

    The court also heard from Detective Constable Liam McCauley, who arrested Mr Ibrahim at Delgarno Gardens.

    The officer said that as they were in a police car, Mr Ibrahim told him: "Listen, I've seen my photo and I was on the bus, but I didn't do anything, I was just on the bus."

    He said that Mr Ibrahim went on: "I'm a Muslim, I can't tell lies.

    "OK I did do the bus, but I had nothing to do with 7/7."

    Six men are accused of plotting to carry out a series of explosions on the London transport system using home-made hydrogen peroxide and chapatti flour rucksack devices.

    They are Yassin Omar, 26, of New Southgate, north London; Hussein Osman, 28, formally of no fixed address; Mr Ibrahim, 29, of Stoke Newington, north London; Manfo Kwaku Asiedu, 33, of no fixed address; Mr Mohammed, 25, of North Kensington, west London; and Adel Yahya, 24, of High Road, Tottenham, north London.

    The case was adjourned until Wednesday.

    BBC NEWS | UK | 21/7 suspects arrest video shown
    I am a Moslem and I cannot lie.

    This is the logic which is so exasperating and irritating!

    How can ALL Moslems be so divine? Some Moslems may not be prone to lies, but how the dickens can the whole Calipahte be so divine?

    They do everything that no decent human being should do and then tell lies and with a straight face say, "I am a Moslem. I cannot lie"!

    What are Moslems? Cute little Cherubs? And so divinely charmed that milk and honey flows from their mouth?

    Utter poppyco-ck!
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    The observations you make serve the Muslim only.

    Quote Originally Posted by xerxes View Post
    Also Ray,

    About the Shin-Sunni war in Iraq. I just said, the West likes to be in the august position to be the victim. The real victims of muslims are not non-muslims, but are muslims themselves. Yes, you may point out the various non-muslims being killed whenever a cartoon pops out, just as I could point out the collateral damage that US bombs do when the go off track and miss their targets kill a few 100 here and a few 100 there. From my pov, both sides play the victimization. This whole situation about the Muslim world and non-muslims started just recently. The thing is people are so deep into their 9/11 and beheadings that they cannot see that. What did we have as muslim radical threat before the fall of Soviet Union? ... We had bunch of Palestinean militia fighting against Israeli, for whatever reason, while you had Hizbollah fighting the Israeli in Lebenon. That is it. Everything else is just recent. No my friend. It is the west that created this situation which allowed the radical and extremist to become so powerfull. The virus was there, it only needed a host. US provided Iraq as the host when it decided to invade. You may say the source of war goes back to Karbala, but IMHO that is irrelevent, concidering the fact that is well known and it should have been known by Pentagon analysts that are being paid 60,000 USD/year for their intelligence work.


    You fail to point out that Muslim's are doing violence all around the world. How do we know that you are not just another Muslim apologist paving the way for more Muslim extremism. It fits the recipe for Muslim success if we do nothing and just accept what you say. Your logic sounds like this; Islamic countries have a right to be purely Islamic. Western countries should take the prone position because they are multi-cultural. We in the West should just be Kowtowed Kaffir's and lay our heads across the chopping block of Islam. Oh of course we might want to convert to Qu'rans loving ways. Besides, Sharia law will heal all of our ills, coos coos in every pot. We let you over run us because we are multi-cultural?
    The constitution of America is protected. In America we have the right to form militias for this very reason. Or kindness has been chaffed by Muslim's. 'We the People' will only take so much of this before we realize what must be done. We have an old flag that reads 'Don't Tread on Me'. We are coming to our collective senses.


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    http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1%C2%A...=20&m=2&y=2007

    Four Sri Lankans Executed for Armed Robbery
    Mohammed Rasooldeen, Arab News


    RIYADH, 20 February 2007 — Four Sri Lankans convicted of armed robbery were executed in Riyadh yesterday, the Interior Ministry announced.

    Victor Corea, Ranjith Silva, Santhosh Kumar and Sharmila Sangeeth Kumar were executed for robbing a number of businesses at gunpoint, the ministry said in a statement carried by the Saudi Press Agency. The gang had wounded several people in a series of holdups.

    While confirming the executions, a Sri Lankan Embassy official told Arab News that Ambassador A.M.J. Sadiq was not available for comment as he was consulting the ministry in Colombo regarding the development.

    The four were convicted in October 2005. Subsequently on Mar. 10, 2006, High Court Judge Abdul Aziz Al-Musaikri confirmed the verdict pronouncing all four guilty and sentenced them to death.

    During the trial, it was proved that the accused had committed three robberies, and were caught red-handed pretending to be municipal workers while driving a municipal vehicle. They had stolen the vehicle from a Bangladeshi, who worked for a municipality contractor, at gunpoint. The Bangladeshi had been shot at and left permanently injured.

    An embassy statement said the Sri Lankan government was closely following up the case. Following their conviction and sentencing, former President Chandrika Kumaratunga and President Mahinda Rajapakse both had made clemency appeals to Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah.

    During their detention in Al-Hair jail, the four men had embraced Islam.

    Speaking to Arab News over the phone, Jagath Wellawatte, chairman of the Sri Lanka Bureau of Foreign Employment (SLBFE), described the incident as unfortunate but reiterated that no one could be exempt from the laws of a host country.

    “The SLBFE will consider compensating the bereaved families with its rehabilitation programs,” Wellawatte said.

    “Criminal activity is rare among Sri Lankans working abroad,” he said, adding that their loyalty and hard work are well known among employers.

    About one million Sri Lankans live and work in the Gulf region. Nearly half of them are in the Kingdom.
    Busy day in ChopChop Square, Riyadh.

    Execution for armed robbery and what should be the punishment for train bombings?

    Life imprisonments?


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    Quote Originally Posted by brokensickle View Post
    You fail to point out that Muslim's are doing violence all around the world.
    so does everybody else ... it depends on the degree of the violance
    Did you know that sometimes in Brazil, over 100 people are killed on daily basis due to gang violance. That was on Yahoo News few weeks ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by brokensickle View Post
    How do we know that you are not just another Muslim apologist paving the way for more Muslim extremism.
    what the hell is a Muslim apologist? .. who the hell is we? who are you?? ... and why would I care what "we" think? ....

    Quote Originally Posted by brokensickle View Post
    It fits the recipe for Muslim success if we do nothing and just accept what you say.
    what the are u talking about ... when did i say to accept what i say ....

    Quote Originally Posted by brokensickle View Post
    Your logic sounds like this; Islamic countries have a right to be purely Islamic.
    it is a fact ... and if a Western Europiean nation decides to make itself non-secular, I would be utterly damn stupid to complain about its rule ... infact If i remember I did say IMO Britian should not bend its rule for anyone ...

    Finally, it is not about right .. it is a decision. Frankly, I dont give damn if half of Western nations decides to make themselves non-secular. It is their right and I respect it.

    Quote Originally Posted by brokensickle View Post
    Western countries should take the prone position because they are multi-cultural. We in the West should just be Kowtowed Kaffir's and lay our heads across the chopping block of Islam. Oh of course we might want to convert to Qu'rans loving ways. Besides, Sharia law will heal all of our ills, coos coos in every pot. We let you over run us because we are multi-cultural?
    What is this non-sense? .. i found it utterly hilarious that while all muslims superstious non-sense about Israel wishing to accelerate the return of Messiah is laughed at in the West, yet West has its own cherished version non-sense that they use it to feed in their fears. There is something wrong with you people if you think that Muslims are gonna impose Sharia, or offer the choice between Sword, Book or Tribute, to their host country ... like Great Britian.

    Quote Originally Posted by brokensickle View Post
    The constitution of America is protected. In America we have the right to form militias for this very reason. Or kindness has been chaffed by Muslim's. 'We the People' will only take so much of this before we realize what must be done. We have an old flag that reads 'Don't Tread on Me'. We are coming to our collective senses.
    good for you ... continue on your glorious path

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    Firstly I apologise for my delay in replying but I did not have the time this morning, prior to a long 8 hour meeting with a group of other people who have a hard time understanding that other people have a point of view and can be right in some circumstances, namely Lawyers and insurance company representatives.............anyhow back to the fun


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    Really? You would be willing to bet that all those pubs and "Full English Breakfast" places on the holiday resorts are Spanish (local) or Greek or whatever owned? You'd put money on it?
    Absolutely not, I am not as naive as you try to make me and others appear, besides if it was even possible for you and I to bet, trust me you do not want to gamble with me.


    My point is that we demand the Muslims (and any other foreigners) learn our language and our ways if we let them in. So why don't we hold to the same rule when we go overseas? The French have resisted far better than the Spanish but they are nearly as big an economy as we are.

    Who is "we?" I think you are way of here and just writing anything to prolong a "debate" (I will stay polite ) I agree some British people will not bother themselves to learn the language of the country visited, but to live there and make a living, well common sense dictates that if they want to make a living and a success of moving there, then they learn the language or fail.


    No, I disagree. My point is you will see people demanding those "damn foreigners" learn our ways and integrate - we don't hold ourselves to the same demands when we go to other countries. I see you don't think a) that is the case or b) that we should?
    Not unlike you almost to the point of demanding we see your point of view.


    Do you doubt the example of "Brits Abroad?"
    No but in the same vain , do you doubt the examples of "certain Muslims abroad? far worse than the antics of a bunch of drunken holiday makers, to which I believe you are refering."

    Moreso - have you ever been to the holiday resorts or even seen how we're changing the economies in France, Spain and Greece with our buying power?[/
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    You talk as if the UK does not get any overseas "holiday makers" . And I think you may find(I maybe wrong) that my "travel resume" and experiences of meeting and learning about other cultures will be far superior than yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxes View Post
    Nay mr tigger, the question that you should ask yourself is that, what can one man do?
    Cop out answer...........my actions did not change the world much to my regret, however I like to think I contributed where I could, my military record will vouch for that. I believe that showed the courage of my convictions, I can say I did what I could.......not "what can one man do"

    ... if I have to vote, then I will vote against them (seperatist).
    But you dont expect me to takeup arms against them, now do you?
    If it was a last resort , yes I would.

    ... we are not in Iraq. As for as your second question, it was the choice of my parents .... though now that I am looking for employment,I quite happy to move to Alberta if I could secure a position there Finally,

    I still think montreal is great city,
    Never said it wasnt.....just find some of the inhabitants curious

    and another good thing here was the fact that I learned French, and having a another language is an asset is always as asset, eventhough I dont speak it too much.
    Wouldnt it have been time better spent learning a language you speak more therefore it would be an even bigger asset?...or was it because you lived in Quebec you HAD to enter a French immersion class?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ex MIB View Post
    I would expect anyone expecting to live (rather than just visit) in a country to learn the language, as I have seen Brits do that have settled and have businesses abroad, otherwise how would they operate with people like suppliers and the local government officials.
    Agreed, however it's not quite as widespread a view as you might think. Oil workers can be the worst followed by expat contract workers. I've met and drunk with many when overseas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ex MIB View Post
    I am not aware of any other country in Europe that spends as much money, or goes to as much length at providing multi-ligual instruction or information as us here in the UK, everything from the ingredients of a Mars bar to how to claim benefits
    Agreed. Even the U.S. (the original melting pot) demands that immigrants learn the language. I have no problem whatsoever with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    Firstly I apologise for my delay in replying but I did not have the time this morning,
    No problem, life happens.


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    Really? You would be willing to bet that all those pubs and "Full English Breakfast" places on the holiday resorts are Spanish (local) or Greek or whatever owned? You'd put money on it?
    Absolutely not, I am not as naive as you try to make me and others appear, besides if it was even possible for you and I to bet, trust me you do not want to gamble with me.
    If I recall your previous post in this thread - you seemed to deny my claim. Anyhow - I accept we'll have different opinion on this. Bet? I'm happy to take your money anytime..

    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    Who is "we?" I think you are way of here and just writing anything to prolong a "debate" (I will stay polite )
    OK, I accept your surrender and that you do see another opinion. I'm not asking you to believe me...

    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    Not unlike you almost to the point of demanding we see your point of view.
    No but in the same vain , do you doubt the examples of "certain Muslims abroad? far worse than the antics of a bunch of drunken holiday makers, to which I believe you are refering."
    Hey, it's a public forum. Anyone is allowed to join and express an opinion (within behaviour norms) If you don't like what I say - put me on ignore or just bypass. I'm not here to insult or belittle anyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30 View Post
    And I think you may find(I maybe wrong) that my "travel resume" and experiences of meeting and learning about other cultures will be far superior than yours
    Fair enough, nobody wins any "who's got the bigger d**K argument anyway. Was nice talking / discussing - even if you don't like my opinion.

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    execrable I would value your opinions if anything you wrote was valid and reasonable, not just idle rhetoric
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    This is what happens when people get Politically Correct and do not wish to face realities!



    If the bull was caught by the horns long, long ago, instead of being accommodating to the extent of bending backwards, then these type of issues would have never raised their ugly head!

    Anger over NY 'immigration game'

    A Republican student group in New York has sparked claims of racism by organising a game called "Find the Illegal Immigrant".

    Students will act as immigration officers in Thursday's game and try to find a student in a crowd designated with a badge as the illegal immigrant.

    The game has sparked protests from other students with hundreds planning to demonstrate against it.

    The New York University College Republican club denied it was racist.

    It says the game is intended to raise awareness on immigration issues in the United States.

    The winner of the game will take home a gift certificate.

    Picketing

    The game is scheduled for New York's Washington Square Park.

    College Republican campaign chairman David Laska told the New York Daily News: "Is it politically correct? No. But is it racist? Absolutely not.

    "You have to do something like this to get people's attention."

    College Republican President Sarah Chambers added: "Just because we don't want illegal immigrants being able to completely disregard the laws of our country doesn't make us racist."

    The Daily News said up to 600 students were expected to protest.

    One message on the website where details of the game were given read: "Let's not be lazy; instead, let's be just as organised as they are and bring out as many protesters as possible. Bring banners, voice boxes, picket signs."

    Illegal immigration has remained a key issue at all levels of society.
    BBC NEWS | Americas | Anger over NY 'immigration game'
    Illegal immigrant is not a new phenomenon.

    But it has scared all concerned because of 9/11 and the way the terrorists have taken hold of the world. Therefore, anything alien worries and invites very illogical reactions and vigilantism as this!

    Here is another one:


    Race-hate man guilty of shootings

    John Laidlaw was a former amateur welterweight boxer

    A gunman who had threatened to "kill all black people" has been found guilty of three counts of attempted murder.

    Former boxer John Laidlaw, 24, went on a shooting spree in Islington, north London, last May, the Old Bailey heard.

    It is not clear whether the attacks were related to his threats against black people.

    He shot Abu Kamara in Upper Street before accidentally shooting Emma Sheridan at Finsbury Park Tube station, as he aimed at a second man.

    Laidlaw, from Holloway, north London, was also found guilty of two firearms charges.

    Judge Samuel Wiggs warned him that he faced an indeterminate jail sentence for the public's protection.

    "These offences, certainly the first incident, seem to be almost completely random," he said.

    Detective Sergeant Nick Bonomini, of Scotland Yard's Serious Crime Directorate, said: "He has previously demonstrated a high level of aggression towards black people that appears, given his words, to be based on their race.

    "But there was no evidence in these current two shootings that suggest that this formed the same sort of motivation for him and on that we have an open mind."

    Social worker Mr Kamara, 44, had been with a group of work friends going for a drink after a game of badminton.

    When a sports bag belonging to one of his colleagues brushed against a friend of Laidlaw's, the gunman reacted by pulling out a gun and shooting Mr Kamara.

    The bullet was deflected off Mr Kamara's chin and entered his neck through his Adam's apple.

    Any operation to remove the bullet could leave Mr Kamara paralysed

    It went through his voicebox before finally lodging near his spinal column.

    Half an hour after shooting Mr Kamara, Laidlaw shot at a man called Evans Baptiste.

    Mr Baptiste and a friend had been chasing Laidlaw after recognising him as the man who had attacked Mr Baptiste with a hammer earlier in the year.

    But the bullet brushed past Mr Baptiste and struck 26-year-old Emma Sheridan in the back.

    Mistaken identity

    A passing medical student plucked the bullet from her back before ambulance crews took her to hospital for treatment.

    When police caught up with Laidlaw at the home of a family friend in Kingston, south-west London, he dived through a glass door and ran into a shed to hide.

    In court, he claimed he was watching television all day during the shootings and was the victim of mistaken identity.

    Three weeks before the shooting spree, Laidlaw admitted in court attacking a black motorist .

    When he was arrested he behaved violently and was "foaming at the mouth" according to a police document.

    "In the presence and hearing of the black female jailer the defendant made racist comments and remarks, stating he was a member of the BNP and that he hated all black people," the document says.

    He also stated that he was going to kill all black people, said the report.
    BBC NEWS | UK | England | London | Race-hate man guilty of shootings
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    Now why has it happened? Because the terrorists were allowed to germinate and 'procreate' because of the 'liberal and tolerant' societal norms wherein in the name of freedom, license was permitted. Then, 7/11 happened because of most illogical and irrational reasons. People got worried and race phobias set iin, which was natural.

    This example of this man in the news is the irrational and illogical reaction that had to happen!

    It is time to read the Tarot Cards/ smell the coffee and make amends before the terrorists converted more into this type of a demented person called Laidlaw!

    Let the song and dance of liberal and tolerant platitudes give way to some hardnosed and unpalatable decision making so as to keep the society safe and importantly, sane!


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    [QUOTE=execrable;347574]Agreed, however it's not quite as widespread a view as you might think. Oil workers can be the worst followed by expat contract workers. I've met and drunk with many when overseas. [QUOTE]
    Having worked in France for 18 months as I stated earlier, would you not therefore have classed me as an ex-pat?
    I agree there will always be an exception to the rule in everything, but the original point we were discussing was that immigrants choosing to settle in a new country should be expected to learn that countries language as a basic attempt at fitting in (integration ). This is a far cry from the example that you have given with regards ex-pat workers, who might normally be found on a short - medium term contract (3-6 months at a time) and because of this tend to just muddle along.
    When it all boils down, this Govt, and probably the one before hand as well, have made things too easy for the immigrant, bending over backwards to make life easy to a point where there is no incentive/need to learn the language.
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