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Originally posted by Patel4You View PostThank you for your reply... In the past 5 years I have noticed a dramatic navy build up from China. From "Aegis" type destroyers to the introduction of LPDs.
India too has been building up its navy, but at a slower pace. Things like America's retired Austin LPDs and Project 17.
And its china, India seems behind as far as shipbuilding goes.
Indian buildup is lagging in the very similar yet opposite ways, all the improvements first and no numbers around, plus the sourcing delays from various parties involved.
I could think of one big one gap both have - ASW.Last edited by kuku; 14 Oct 08,, 15:34.
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My 2 cents - I think the ASW gap is far worse on the PLAN side than the India side. Indian vessels are more comprehensively equipped for ASW. I am not too clear on the current level of training of the Indians in ASW, but they do have an important advantage over their PLAN counterparts in this area, one I consider more far important than even hardware. They have access to joint warfighting exercises with other countries who are truly proficient in ASW like the Aussies, US, and Japan. I remember India also does joint ASW exercises with Singapore as well in SIMBEX. PLAN has no such exercises with other navies, as far as I can recall the exercises it has done with other navies so far are limited in scope, mostly 'search and rescue' level type of exercises.
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Originally posted by Transient View PostMy 2 cents - I think the ASW gap is far worse on the PLAN side than the India side. Indian vessels are more comprehensively equipped for ASW. I am not too clear on the current level of training of the Indians in ASW, but they do have an important advantage over their PLAN counterparts in this area, one I consider more far important than even hardware. They have access to joint warfighting exercises with other countries who are truly proficient in ASW like the Aussies, US, and Japan. I remember India also does joint ASW exercises with Singapore as well in SIMBEX. PLAN has no such exercises with other navies, as far as I can recall the exercises it has done with other navies so far are limited in scope, mostly 'search and rescue' level type of exercises.
currently, the PLAN ships are generally not tasked with ASW roles, because these are left to submarines and sub-chasers. Although, recent pictures indicate that some of the Jianghu ships and recent ships like 054A, 052B/C are all equipped with TAS. Still, for green water operations, the diesel subs and sub-chasers will be able to help in ASW effort. Not only that, they apparently are operating their own SOSUS http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/ring050908.html
If this is deployed, then that will help their acoustic signature library a little bit also (since the NATO submarines have been known to sail around Chinese waters to record Chinese submarine signatures).
As for blue water operations, they really haven't got to that point yet. I suppose most of their ASW tasks will be resting on the SSNs, but we will see. PLAN's expansion has been pretty well distributed, it doesn't appear to me that they will forget anything. People only notice their submarines, destroyers and frigates, but they've also been building elint ships, medical ships, surveillance ships, replenishment ships, MCM ships, target ships and coastal fleet. In fact, one of the main reason 054A has slowed down production recently is because HP shipyard has been building so many tug ships. We might need to wait until 054B, but PLAN has not forgotten about ASW.
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I believe they had something like this in peace mission 2005.
currently, the PLAN ships are generally not tasked with ASW roles, because these are left to submarines and sub-chasers. Although, recent pictures indicate that some of the Jianghu ships and recent ships like 054A, 052B/C are all equipped with TAS.
Still, for green water operations, the diesel subs and sub-chasers will be able to help in ASW effort.
Not only that, they apparently are operating their own SOSUS
We might need to wait until 054B, but PLAN has not forgotten about ASW.Last edited by Transient; 17 Oct 08,, 08:06.
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Originally posted by Transient View PostYes, you're right. I had throught it to only be a limited exercise for the media circus. Still, a exercise with a navy which has deteriorated so badly over the past decade and a half, in a warfare skill described as highly perishable without constant practice? Compared to the Indian Navy which will have constant practice with capable navies through SIMBEX and Malabar?
All the 054As and 052Cs are equipped with TAS? I thought only some were?
To a limited extent. Sub-chasers are not worth much, SSKs are better platforms. Though I would say that SSKs as ASW platforms are limited compared to SSNs. PLAN's 2 093s are what I would count as true ASW capable platforms, not the rest of its SSKs. ASW is an inherently active proposition, and SSKs are pretty much 'passive' in nature by virtue of their mobility limitations. Perhaps only high performance SSKs like Oyashios, Collins and perhaps the Yuans are exceptions.
In the Bohai Sea. Quite limited, even Taiwan has 2 low freq arrays located north and south of the island.
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