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    Us surely can react but the point is will it react or just wait for some time tfo rchina to weaken up.I guess Us is an opporunist and would prefer wait til IN & PLAN kill a bunch of each others capability and then come and destroy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajaybhutani
    Us surely can react but the point is will it react or just wait for some time tfo rchina to weaken up.I guess Us is an opporunist and would prefer wait til IN & PLAN kill a bunch of each others capability and then come and destroy them.
    The problem is that the freighters just don't stop in China. They also stop in Australia, South Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Thus, there's nothing stopping a freighter Captain from hiding his books. Then, what is India going to do to stop oil shipments to China?

    The only way this can be done is to blockade China and that unfortunately means blockading the sea lanes ... and you've just invited the USN and the RN into the war ... just like the Iranians did.

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    Problem with PLAN is that they have way TOO much junk. With more junk your just creating more target practice for your enemy. With qaulity in small numbers you can seriously even take out the PLAN which is why the Japanese navy is today superior to the PLAN. Although PLAN is catching up quick they're offensive swallows! they're defence is practicly none existint. Navy should work together and almost all warships should be complete multiroles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrownguy
    Problem with PLAN is that they have way TOO much junk. With more junk your just creating more target practice for your enemy. With qaulity in small numbers you can seriously even take out the PLAN which is why the Japanese navy is today superior to the PLAN. Although PLAN is catching up quick they're offensive swallows! they're defence is practicly none existint. Navy should work together and almost all warships should be complete multiroles.
    the whole point is how much of it is actually battle ready. If they have a considerable part as battle ready then i guess they can play an edge with superior numbers.

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    I heard china's navy in general isnt very strong. Its individual destroyers are just target practice in the ocean. By the way, im just getting these thoughts from indian navy officers. They could just boasting about their army, but then again how can china take care of so many ships? I just think they are well polished peices of equipment, with out much backbone on them.

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    PLAN isn't ready to go blue water; however, in literal theater war operations, it is formidible for its mission

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    How is it formideble for its missions? The point is to search, destroy, and escort. How can they complete those tasks if they have poor statistics?

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    as long as they fight a theater defensive war, they won't need to trek all over the Pacific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KONTAKT ERA
    How is it formideble for its missions? The point is to search, destroy, and escort. How can they complete those tasks if they have poor statistics?
    Well the chineese AF and navy are built to suport PLA.So The main objective of PLAN is to protect the coastline and act offensive with nearby countries .Its clearly in not designed to come all the way and attack india /even wage a war in mallaca straits . And since it fulfils its planned requirements so its formidable nough .

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    Wait, r you saying that India navy couldnt some how bust through the Chinese navy and AF? I understand that China outnumbers India's Af by about 3600 aircrafts :P, but couldnt India do something? By the way, are those Chinese fighter jets up to date? Are they any good, just in general terms. Plus, would India stand a chance ingaging any chinese warship? It wouldnt be a 1v1 fight, it would be 8v1, China to India. India only has a 100 destroyers right?

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    "It wouldnt be a 1v1 fight, it would be 8v1, China to India. India only has a 100 destroyers right?"

    LOL


    Your being faceitious correct?

    <India>

    (two carriers but older)(Plan to build three new indigenous design carriers)(Could move up if Fleet modernization plans move forward in a timely manner)(no SSNs or SSBNs)(Plan to lease one Akula SSN from Russia)

    0+3 Indigenous design

    1 CVL Ex-UK built

    1 CVL Ex-Russian built

    DDG

    0+3 Aster SAM 6900

    3 Project 15 SAN 7 6700

    5 Russian-design Kashin SAN 1 4900fl

    FFG

    0+12 Project 17 SAN 7 5400fl

    3+3 Russian-Krivak SAN 7 4,000fl

    FF

    2+1 Project 16A 4500fl

    3 Project 16 4300fl

    4 UK Leander 3000fl

    8 small frigates

    SSN

    0+1 Russian-built Akula

    SSK

    0+ 6 French-design Scorpene

    6 German Type 209

    10 Russian- built Kilo

    2 Russian -built Foxtrot(obsolete)


    <China>

    (no carriers)( otherwise same as above as relates modernization)

    DDGs

    0+2 O52C AEGIS-Type

    0+2 O52B SAN 7

    2 +2 Russian- Built Sovremmenyy SAN 7 8500

    DD(although armed more like multi-purpose frigates)

    1 Luhai 6600fl

    2 Luhu 5700fl

    The below classified DD but would be classed Frigate by world standards :

    16 Luda 7 of which have been modernized to some extent but still pretty much obsolete by world class standards 4000fl

    0+4 new large Lafayette-type Frigates 3600fl

    12 relatively modern Frigates but smallish 2300 fl

    31 small Frigates of little combat value

    1 SSBN (no operational missles)

    3 SSN ( 5 built not a success the survivors may not be operational)


    SSK

    4 Russian-built Kilo

    5 Song

    19 Mings based on Russian Romeo design

    32 Romeo

    All but the Kilos and possibly the Song(some sources say they are a disappointment) have little combat value.

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    Rickusn,

    Could you amplify the abvns?

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    A Few points i would like to add.

    1. i think chineese have plans for an Aircraft Carrier in near future.
    2. And curently indians just have one active Aircraft Carrier which remains in repairs/upgrade for most of the time.Gorshkov will need another 4 years to come in service.
    3. The new advantage with indians will be their New PJ10 anti ship missiles that are virually to counter via air defences of chineese ships.The version induected are ship based and land based while air based and sub based systems will come in near future . We might even see teh longer range ones too.
    4. If indians get Akulas(2) & TU22 they are trying to get in last few years it will also act as a big force multiplier.

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    Rickusn,

    Could you amplify the abvns?


    LOL: Laughing Out Loud

    CVL: Carrier, light

    The below have become less distinct as far as size goes and is more about capabilities. Cruisers being the largest and most capable.

    CG: Cruiser, Guided Missle(Area Anti-Air Warfare missle sytem)displacement 8000 full load and up

    DDG: Destroyer, Guided Missle(Area AAW missle system)dpl. 4200fl up to 10,000

    DD: Destroyer(W/O area AAW missle system)dpl. 3700fl up to 9000fl

    FFG: Frigate( Area AAW missle system)disp. 3700fl to 6000fl

    FF: Frigate(W/O area AAW missle system)dpl. 2000fl to 5000fl

    FFL: Frigate, light(W/O are AAW missle system)dpl.1000fl to 2000fl

    SSK: Diesel powered submarine Hunter/Killer

    SSN: Nuclear powered submarine

    SSGN: Nuclear powered submarine Anti-Ship and/or land attack Guided Missle

    SSBN: Nuclear powered submarine Ballistic missle

    Hope this is helpful. LOL

    If I can specifically clarify further please feel free to ask. Thx Rick.


    Sorry about not stating that ex- Russian CVL Gorshkov was in a long refit/overhau/modernization prior to entry into Indian naval service.

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    who has the bigger navy, and how many ships does india have?
    how many destroyers does china have? How do they compare iwth eachother on a offensive war? When i said india has 100 destroyers i meant it in a figure of speech, meaning china has more ships.

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