India's Navy Vs. China's Navy

[bull]

actually it wont be fare to compare india with the emrging superpower like china.it has a great economy,great millitery power.if u people look at the map of india and china i dont think naval war can play any big role. but if just compared betwen the navies then navy also needs an air support.where india falls short against china.we cant put our 2nd generation airforce which is alrady facing high crash rate problems,against 4th generation chinese airforce.so with the help of its advanced airfroce they can sink sink our navy.i hope govt will take some serious steps to modernize our airforce.this thread can be discussed after 15 yrs,but in todays date india vs china????? NO MATCH.

Underestimating a enemy is suicidal...also is overestimating.

what do you mean by 2nd generation fighter jets..India have Su30MKIs which even Indias staunchest enemies agrees to be the worlds best air superiority fighter.Mig29,Jaguars arent bad afterall.And what do u claim china to have Su30MM (not as advanced as MKI).The chinese advantage comes in its mssile force where they overwhelm India..in all other aspects i think India have better(modern and lethal) forces.
Please dont say that Indian navy is a sinkable one.Their new delhi class and talwar class are the best in the class so is the to be commisioned bangalore clas...man India have upgraded most of the soviet electronics with the israeli and european systems,plus india have the new brahmos cruise missile.....
Can any one give a comparison of the best destroyer in idian and chinese navy. take the best indian destryer and tyhe best chineese destroyer that coud be interesting.

[essay]

Underestimating a enemy is suicidal...also is overestimating.

what do you mean by 2nd generation fighter jets..India have Su30MKIs which even Indias staunchest enemies agrees to be the worlds best air superiority fighter.Mig29,Jaguars arent bad afterall.And what do u claim china to have Su30MM (not as advanced as MKI).The chinese advantage comes in its mssile force where they overwhelm India..in all other aspects i think India have better(modern and lethal) forces.
Please dont say that Indian navy is a sinkable one.Their new delhi class and talwar class are the best in the class so is the to be commisioned bangalore clas...man India have upgraded most of the soviet electronics with the israeli and european systems,plus india have the new brahmos cruise missile.....
Can any one give a comparison of the best destroyer in idian and chinese navy. take the best indian destryer and tyhe best chineese destroyer that coud be interesting.

I think there is no comparison between chinese Navy and indian one,as a result of sharply different tactical ideology and industrial system.All in all ,china has a relatively more solid industrial infrastructure than indian ,s .We have our own car industrial manufacture syetem which have technologically reach the level
of japan and german,but we can not compare with japan in world market because of unreliablility of it,s products.We have capability to mimic every advanced products but can not reach it,s accuracy.
Secondly,unlike indian navy ,chinese navy is a coastal defence one.I think china will change this path in which china has hold on for nearly 40 years.Newly building destroyer 170 will being handed over to chinese navy forces,---i ,as a chinese ,,m very happy,but it can not compare with indian navy now.We update
and modernize our navy force for probable collision with american-japan navy in taiwan strait.(i think enginer of officer can prove that).Chinese navy have no enough power to encounter indian one,because of lacking of money,and chinese leaders has put economic development prior to everything.Chinese army more likely put some pressure on border area between india and china, because it,s more cheaper than make some pressure on india ocean.And ,so far as i,m concerned,chinese ground forces don,t dare and have no intention to irate indian army.It,s insane to make hostile manipulation on india for chinese side,and why chinese have to do it.And If we do it,what benefits can we get from it except for sacrificing numerous innocent chinese and indian soldiers.If a chinese general do it,i curse him at first,because he shatter my dream of marrying a beautiful indian girl.
When we talk something about airforce of both sides,there are great similarities between two countries.We are the TOP-2 aircraft buyer of russia.
We put our new generation main battle jet respectively ,at the same time.I hate
russian statesman who sold weapon to indian and chinese,meanwhile,chinese and indian are hostile to each other.

[bull]

essay,
thats right chineese mnavy may not be developed to bring the fght to the idian shores,but they have shown their intentionsclear that they are ot going to be left nehind by the indian navy.They have opened this new window in burma,hat kind of operation do they carry out there any idea what ships ar operate from there do they have fighter jets posted there or coloumns of PLA???

And pls can anyone give me the features of the most advanced PLN destoyer.??

[Kontakt Era]

Wait, how do u know China even gives out accurate information about its army? Matter a fact, how do any of you know any country with a powerful army gives out its information? Dont they always keep some secrets? Doesnt that totally defeat the purpose of a forum? Cause CHina is rich, really rich. How could it be this weak........this weak compared to India? For a communist country I would hope its budget would be enormous. Someone in this forum told me their budget was a about 25 billion, and India's was 15 billion. Do you really believe that? In any case, China has a huge army, the equipment might be old, but they still have to be maintened right? Plus the Chinese have started new military projects, doesnt the money come from the budget? They defenitley are bound to have quadrouple the strenght anyone says they do......right? IDK im only 14, and im just curious.

[Kontakt Era]

Oh yeah, please dont say "its on this internet sight". Thats where all the correct information is.

[k19]

I have seen that post, it wrote like this, I don't know where the number comes from, but it doesn't make sense.

2004 budget:

India 15 b, 2.5% of GDP,
China 25 b, 6% of GDP.

Taking this in your mind, china's GDP was twice and a little more than India in 2004.

Either the writer was on drug, or has bad math...otherwise, there was a hint in those number, the official number was 25 b for China, it is really the play of politics when all of your surrounding countries wanted, intentioned to post you as a threat. On the other hand, a 6% defense budget isn’t that out figured compared to what the European and American has on their budget regards on their GDP.

It isn't mark China as so weak on their Military term, but, it is a defense force, on the other hand, India is trying to maintain offensive power in case of a war to encounter the enemy first. China can't win an invasion but will make sure not been invaded neither. a different style serves different purpose, that’s all.

anyway, that’s what I thought.

[Kontakt Era]

Wait, so can u give me a ball park on their budgets?

[k19]

well, i know GDP 2003-2004 is 1409 b, taking the GDP percentage mentioned above, 2.5% to 6% will be a range from 35b to 84.5 b. so, a middle will give me a 60 b, might be somewhere around, i am not sure.

The same might apply to india as well, GDP 2003-2004 599 b, 2.5%-6% will be 15 b to 36 b, a middle will give me 25 b. again, i am not sure neither.

but i would take those numbers as a reasonable figures for my own use when taking in consideration.

[Kontakt Era]

Thank you.

[lemontree]

Wait, you know Thomas John? Oh yeah Officers of Engineers im sorry for my ingnorance, please would you tell me the detailed information. Oh yeah, Lemon tree what do you mean "hes a 1 star general". How do you know him? Plus hes not THAT old to have fought in the 1971 war. Atleast i dont think so? Wait, are we even talking about the same person?

O.K my mistake...I thought you were referring to Brig. Ray, in WAB.
I don't know Col. Thomas John. Do you know to which Para unit he belongs to?

[Kontakt Era]

Nope, not sure. Technically he said not to tell anyone, but hes not gonna find out. Well right now hes in the Rajasthan Desert. He's not all that young now to be out on the field, so he trains officers in the dessert. He'll be back in the U.S. in 3 years. Hes also the biggest Indian guy Ive ever met. He's 6'4 and he can kick ur ass. lol

[Kontakt Era]

What exactly do you do in the army? Where do you reside? Oh yeah, whats your name? When you said you were security, that was a pretty broad answer. Be more specific.

[lemontree]

Well right now hes in the Rajasthan Desert. He's not all that young now to be out on the field, so he trains officers in the dessert.

O.K thanks...i got the unit name, he is from 10 Para Cdo (SF).

[vishv29]

well china has 130+su-27 and 70+su-30 mkk's. su-30 mkk3 will be inducting soon or may hv inducted which is the most advanced fighter in asia.besidesd they hv barrive a-50 mainstay awacs which can be the nightmare for indian airforce.

Vish........China doesnt have 4th generation jets. Lol, their jets shouldnt even be considered l337 in anyway. They are more like boot leg jets. Lol sorry its late and I felt like saying it.....so shoot me.

[vishv29]

Underestimating a enemy is suicidal...also is overestimating.

what do you mean by 2nd generation fighter jets..India have Su30MKIs which even Indias staunchest enemies agrees to be the worlds best air superiority fighter.Mig29,Jaguars arent bad afterall.And what do u claim china to have Su30MM (not as advanced as MKI).The chinese advantage comes in its mssile force where they overwhelm India..in all other aspects i think India have better(modern and lethal) forces.
Please dont say that Indian navy is a sinkable one.Their new delhi class and talwar class are the best in the class so is the to be commisioned bangalore clas...man India have upgraded most of the soviet electronics with the israeli and european systems,plus india have the new brahmos cruise missile.....
Can any one give a comparison of the best destroyer in idian and chinese navy. take the best indian destryer and tyhe best chineese destroyer that coud be interesting.

see, we hv only 50 mki's that is not enough to face chinese 200+flankers.by saying 2nd generation AF i wanted to say that biggest part of our airforce is 2nd gen.also chinese hv support of an early warning system which we dont hv.they hv ssbn's.though they might not hv ballitic missiles ready on them but can be made ready in the emergency of war.