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  • #31
    So again it's against Carriers.

    A Battleship has a top speed of around 32 knots, that makes it as fast and in some cases faster then the Carriers escorts. It is hardly as "big" as you think it is. Most of it's weight is in the steel plate and the gun turrets. As far as volume goes it is perhaps several times smaller then a super carrier.

    As for exspensive, hardly. For a little over two billion dollars which is a drop in the bucket, roughly 1/3rd of the cost for a single super carrier you can upgrade two of the battleships and run them for roughly 25 years.

    500km is good for Granit salvo.
    Electronic Horizon is less then 1/10th that range.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Praxus
      So again it's against Carriers.

      A Battleship has a top speed of around 32 knots, that makes it as fast and in some cases faster then the Carriers escorts. It is hardly as "big" as you think it is. Most of it's weight is in the steel plate and the gun turrets. As far as volume goes it is perhaps several times smaller then a super carrier.

      As for exspensive, hardly. For a little over two billion dollars which is a drop in the bucket, roughly 1/3rd of the cost for a single super carrier you can upgrade two of the battleships and run them for roughly 25 years.

      Electronic Horizon is less then 1/10th that range.
      Well. I have little idea of what a cost of a battleship may be. If it is really only about little modernization and then idea might be viable. I actually thought about building a new and giant battleship and assumed it would be costly project

      regarding electronic horizon - Russians use sattelites... other nations may be using other means of detection close to their shores.....

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      • #33
        regarding electronic horizon - Russians use sattelites... other nations may be using other means of detection close to their shores.....
        We aren't gonna be shelling Russia. Our main targets are going to be third world nations including Syria, Yemen, Iran, and North Korea. None of which have sattilite capability. The only realistic way to find the BB is what OOE suggested, Recon by Death.

        Well. I have little idea of what a cost of a battleship may be. If it is really only about little modernization and then idea might be viable. I actually thought about building a new and giant battleship and assumed it would be costly project
        Just think about this, a single DD(X) is going to cost about the same ammount as it takes to upgrade and run the 2 BB's for 25 years. You would need dozens of DD(X)'s to deliver the same ammount of firepower.

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        • #34
          You only need to look at pictures of Australian subs getting up nice and close to American carriers and taking lots of nice big target shots to realise that this would not be a good idea. I agree that a sub would take it out, and that would be the end of the floating traget.

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          • #35
            Konis that has been been explained so many times. Thoose excercises are excercises on the individual level. That means that only a small portion of the ASW assets of a CBG were being used to detect the sub. The excercizes soul purpose was to increase the ability of a single ASW asset.

            The same people who believe that Australian subs can sink our Carriers are the same people who think India didn't have a massive advantage.

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            • #36
              I'm American and I'll admit Australians and Dutch have *****ed Carrier Groups. a saturation missile salvo would waste it: even if most missiles were intercepted, another salvo of anti missile missiles couldnt be instantaneously loaded.

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              • #37
                Are you blind? Can you not read my post?

                They can not **** up our carriers and any belief to the contrary excepting some extreme instance is lunacy.

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                • #38
                  Basically, BBs need to return to the navy.

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                  • #39
                    I heard Leviathan and I thought this had something to do with Farscape

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                    • #40
                      If There Was Such A Ship, Wouldnt It Be The Center Of Attention? It Would Be Just Like The Aircraft Carriers. If The Air Craft Carriers Were To Actually Be Put On The Front Line Of The Battle Field, They Would All Perish. And Since Its Going To Be Such A Monstrous Killer, Dont U Have To Put It In The Frontline? Plus It Would Be Expensive And Hard To Mantain. Im Not Saying Its A Bad Idea, But In My Opinion There Would Be A Lot Of Misery For The Ship, If Put Into Battle.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by KONTAKT ERA
                        If There Was Such A Ship, Wouldnt It Be The Center Of Attention?
                        Yes indeed. I woudn't like to be the very center of enemy fire although that kind of ship would provide quite alot of protection but anything is possible. Against third world nations or as I remeber someone said the axis of evil that ship would be devastating.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jay
                          Well, a salvo of variety of AShM missiles and topedoes from a kamakazee sub may very well disable the BB, if not sink it. Remember, size and distance of missile war heads have changed a lot.
                          After looking over all the replies I get the feeling someone is assuming the navy will use only one ship ie. one battleship supported by other smaller ships. If we were to get into a full scale naval engagement with another country such a small battlegroup would not be sufficient: we would more advantageously use a squadron of battleships supported by escorts. The carrier engagements of WWII used the combined airpower of several carriers not just one same principle with the battleship. The term Kamakazee was also used; while the Japanese Kamakazees did sink a couple of light carriers they failed to sink any battleships. The Hood was technically not a battleship she was a battlecruiser and lacked the armor of a battleship and that was her downfall.

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                          • #43
                            poorly used

                            I would submit that the Hood was simply very poorly deployed.

                            As well as lacking deck armour.
                            Where's the bloody gin? An army marches on its liver, not its ruddy stomach.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by The Chap View Post
                              I would submit that the Hood was simply very poorly deployed.

                              As well as lacking deck armour.
                              Just curious, but what would be a good use of a 40,000 ton capital ship that can't take a hit without blowing up? Merchant raider? Seems to me like the RN simply didn't learn its lesson after the battlecruiser debacle at Jutland. Once battlewagons started using high angle, plunging fire, the Hood was a dinosaur, I would think.

                              (note use of poetic licence to emphasize the poor protection of Hood ;) )
                              I enjoy being wrong too much to change my mind.

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                              • #45
                                The Hood was the ultimate conclusion of Jacky Fisher's battlecruiser idea. She was fast and armed to the teeth, but not much armor (compared to a true battleship). When WW2 started she was just about to undergo a refit to boost her deck armor. Unfortunately the start of WW2 delayed the refit. And you know what happened after that.

                                I believe the IJN Kongo was the same type of ship. A super battlecruiser born of Jacky Fisher's concept. Kongo was upgraded many times to boost her armor and finally was classified as a battleship rather than a battlecruiser. Although I don't believe she could have stood up against a South Dakoda or Iowa.

                                Also, the battlecruiser was never meant to go toe to toe with a true battleship. That was never the intent. They were supposed to be the screening force, scout, chaser, and all the rest of the good stuff, but never a slugger. RN used the Hood incorrectly, just as they had their battlecruiser squadron in the Battle of Jutland.
                                Last edited by gunnut; 12 Dec 06,, 00:33.
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