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    SU-35's First International Customer-VENEZUELA??

    Venezuela Calls Russian Su-35 Fighters “World’s Best”, Considers Purchase



    Created: 17.05.2006 11:34 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:50 MSK

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    A high ranking Venezuelan general said on Tuesday, May 16, that the Latin American country is considering a replacement of its U.S.-built F-16 multi-role fighter jets with Russian Su-35s.

    “We are considering procurement of Russia’s Su-35 fighter aircraft to replace F-16s, after the United States banned weapons exports to Venezuela,” Venezuelan General Staff official General Alberto Muller Rojas said, quoted by RIA Novosti. “At the moment the Su-35 is world’s best multi-role fighter.”

    The United States announced a ban on arms sales to Venezuela on Monday, May 15. The U.S. State Department accused the South American country of having an intelligence-sharing relationship with Iran and Cuba, both of which the U.S. says are state sponsors of terrorism. In return Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has accused the United States of breaching an agreement to supply parts for Venezuela’s F-16s.

    Rojas, a military advisor close to Chavez, said the issue had previously been discussed with Russia, but that the White House’s decision to stop supplying spare parts for U.S. aircraft had given fresh impetus to the talks. Rojas said he had proposed to Chavez that Venezuela sells its 21 F-16 jets to a third party or shares it with Cuba as a gift. He added that Iran or Chile could be potential customers of the planes, as both countries had F-16s and spare parts in inventory.

    A U.S. State Department spokesman said on Monday that the United States would not allow Venezuela to sell the planes to Iran. Under U.S. arms-sales contracts, “you can’t transfer these defense articles, in this case, F-16s, to a third country,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. “And I would expect that even if such a request were made that [permission] would not be forthcoming from the U.S. Government.”

    The U.S. and Venezuela signed a contract on the F-16s in 1982, and Venezuela does not have the right to re-sell its F-16s under it. But Rojas said the U.S. had broken the agreement unilaterally, so Venezuela considered itself free not to comply with its obligations.

    Venezuela is Russia’s major arms trading partner in Latin America. The country has already signed contracts for 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles, 33 combat helicopters and has been considering a purchase of Russia fighter jets for a while.

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    Damm Russia itself didn't Inducted this Machine into their Inventory and VENEZUELA has started to Dream About it


    Why in the Hell do they wanted to Buy an Fighter aircraft which Under Testing and Didn't Inducted in any Airforce??. I Wonder why Chavez get so Excited


    Anyway Good for Russia






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    Gary Brecher, the "War Nerd" writing for the Moscow English-language paper the eXile, had an interesting article on Venezuelan aircraft acquisitions.

    Brecher argues that buying the fighter jets has less to do with Venezuelan defense requirements than it does with Chavez' need to consolidate support for his regime among air force officers--a branch of the armed forces that has generally supported the opposition.

    Quote Originally Posted by War Nerd
    So what can Chavez do with a mix of Russian fighter jets and AKs? It's pretty obvious. These are the weapons a nervous Commie needs to set up a parallel military, loyal to his regime, to discourage a coup from his own armed forces -- not to stop a US invasion.
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    http://www.exile.ru/2006-October-06/...a_of_evil.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sukhoi View Post
    Venezuela Calls Russian Su-35 Fighters “World’s Best”, Considers Purchase



    Created: 17.05.2006 11:34 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:50 MSK

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    A high ranking Venezuelan general said on Tuesday, May 16, that the Latin American country is considering a replacement of its U.S.-built F-16 multi-role fighter jets with Russian Su-35s.

    “We are considering procurement of Russia’s Su-35 fighter aircraft to replace F-16s, after the United States banned weapons exports to Venezuela,” Venezuelan General Staff official General Alberto Muller Rojas said, quoted by RIA Novosti. “At the moment the Su-35 is world’s best multi-role fighter.”

    The United States announced a ban on arms sales to Venezuela on Monday, May 15. The U.S. State Department accused the South American country of having an intelligence-sharing relationship with Iran and Cuba, both of which the U.S. says are state sponsors of terrorism. In return Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has accused the United States of breaching an agreement to supply parts for Venezuela’s F-16s.

    Rojas, a military advisor close to Chavez, said the issue had previously been discussed with Russia, but that the White House’s decision to stop supplying spare parts for U.S. aircraft had given fresh impetus to the talks. Rojas said he had proposed to Chavez that Venezuela sells its 21 F-16 jets to a third party or shares it with Cuba as a gift. He added that Iran or Chile could be potential customers of the planes, as both countries had F-16s and spare parts in inventory.

    A U.S. State Department spokesman said on Monday that the United States would not allow Venezuela to sell the planes to Iran. Under U.S. arms-sales contracts, “you can’t transfer these defense articles, in this case, F-16s, to a third country,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. “And I would expect that even if such a request were made that [permission] would not be forthcoming from the U.S. Government.”

    The U.S. and Venezuela signed a contract on the F-16s in 1982, and Venezuela does not have the right to re-sell its F-16s under it. But Rojas said the U.S. had broken the agreement unilaterally, so Venezuela considered itself free not to comply with its obligations.

    Venezuela is Russia’s major arms trading partner in Latin America. The country has already signed contracts for 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles, 33 combat helicopters and has been considering a purchase of Russia fighter jets for a while.
    Chavez doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground. Much less what the worlds best fighter aircraft is. We in the U.S. just call it a new "target" Outside of that I would'nt plan on those "gift" F-16's arriving anywhere after they have had an accident during delivery.
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    He've bought several SU-30 already, now he wants to get the newest supermachine that is not even included in Russian Airforce, I think he's crazy but he've heard that Russians are developing the new type of missiles for SU-35s which would be able to shoot the targets at 400 kilometers away, even Raptor can't beat that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiy View Post
    He've bought several SU-30 already, now he wants to get the newest supermachine that is not even included in Russian Airforce, I think he's crazy but he've heard that Russians are developing the new type of missiles for SU-35s which would be able to shoot the targets at 400 kilometers away, even Raptor can't beat that.
    Oh god - not the Novator KS-172 again.... It's designed as an anti-AWACs/MPA weapon.. not to kill fighters... If it ever enters service... a big IF..

    Besides, an SU-35 would need to be able to see a Raptor before it could kill it, even with a "real" AAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PubFather View Post
    Oh god - not the Novator KS-172 again.... It's designed as an anti-AWACs/MPA weapon.. not to kill fighters... If it ever enters service... a big IF..

    Besides, an SU-35 would need to be able to see a Raptor before it could kill it, even with a "real" AAM.
    If they'll update their radars ( I mean Russians ), then its not a real problem.
    MiG-31 and MiG-22 were able to watch SR-71 Blackbird and F-117 and shoot them if needed without even beeng detected by the enemy planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiy View Post
    If they'll update their radars ( I mean Russians ), then its not a real problem.
    MiG-31 and MiG-22 were able to watch SR-71 Blackbird and F-117 and shoot them if needed without even beeng detected by the enemy planes.
    Yes, of course they could... stealth is an expensive myth... blah blah blah... utter horseradish... (BTW SR-71 wasnt strictly speaking a stealth a/craft).

    Any proof???

    Even if they can a) physically b)technologically c) financially afford to "just upgrade" the radars: why havent they already done so? Or do you believe everything that comes from the sales brochures? Next you'll be telling us that plasma stealth is just round the corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sukhoi View Post
    [B] He added that Iran or Chile could be potential customers of the planes, as both countries had F-16s and spare parts in inventory....

    Wha....?

    When did iran acquire the F-16?


    And Ruskiy.....

    The more and more I see you posting, more and more I'm convinced you're Captain Drunk....

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    In return Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has accused the United States of breaching an agreement to supply parts for Venezuela’s F-16s.
    Good old USA. Never honouring any international commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamercube View Post
    Good old USA. Never honouring any international commitment.
    Yeah, Chavez always tells the truth, lol...

    Good thing we have little asshats like you around to point out the error of our ways...

    The service contracts for those planes was up YEARS ago. The US chose not to renew the spares contracts because Chavez REFUSED to let us inspect the AC (a violation of the sales terms).

    Guess what? The US also cancelled the F-14 service agreements after Iran took over our embassy and took 66 hostages.

    Would you sell weapons to your enemies???

    Never mind, I forgot. India doesn't make anything anyone else wants to buy...

    Why don't you tell us how India honored her commitments? Like her promise not to divert fuel from the CANDU reactor for weapons? Or the heavy water supplied by the US? Or aerospace tech supplied by the US and Germany, and France for space research, which India diverted to build missiles?

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    BS. Why don't you do a little research before you get yourself into such a frenzy?

    http://www.*******industrydaily.com/...protectionism/

    Citing members of the Israeli ******* ministry, the Israeli newspaper Yedidot Aharonot reports that pressure from Washington has now forced Israel to freeze a $100 million contract with Venezuela to upgrade its U.S.-manufactured F-16 fighter jets. The Fuerza Aaerea Venezolana (FAV) had originally purchased the F-16A/B aircraft in 1982. Israel replaces most of the original American equipment inside its F-16s with Israeli-designed electronics and other modules, making companies like Israel Aircraft Industries a viable second source project lead and integrator for F-16 maintenance and upgrade deals.
    Would you sell weapons to your enemies???
    Define "enemies". Last time I heard, Saddam was also officially an "enemy", although he had no means of causing any damage whatsoever to the US.

    Why don't you tell us how India honored her commitments? Like her promise not to divert fuel from the CANDU reactor for weapons? Or the heavy water supplied by the US? Or aerospace tech supplied by the US and Germany, and France for space research, which India diverted to build missiles?
    India does not break nearly as many promises as the US does. What was broken was done on grounds on national security and survival. The promise to Canada was kept for 10 years. But after the Indo-China war, and the subsequent Chinese nuclear test, no one in their right mind would have honoured their commitment. When the very survival of a country is at stake, everything else is secondary to national interests. But even then, India took a long time to test its first nuclear weapon because of its commitment to not conduct atmospheric tests, as a first goalpost on the road to disarmament.

    Unlike the US, India does not designate a country to be her "enemy" or "friend" at random, merely to justify actions that could not be justified otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PubFather View Post
    Oh god - not the Novator KS-172 again.... It's designed as an anti-AWACs/MPA weapon.. not to kill fighters... If it ever enters service... a big IF..

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    KS-172 is already under development under the Joint-collaboration between Russia and India.

    From a report:

    after successful joint-development of the BrahMos ASCM (anti-ship cruise missile) the Indo-Russian scientists and ******* manufacturers had again teamed up to resurrect the formidable Russian Novator KS-172 ultra-long-range AAM (air-to-air missile) project. Novator design bureau unveiled its mock-up KS-172 AAM, a projected 6 metre long, 750 kg, 400 km range AAM in early 1993 at an air-show in Abu Dhabi. It also made a short and sudden appearance at the Moscow Air-Show in late 1993, in anticipation of a very high-level military delegation.

    The mock-up of the KS-172 underwent refinement and in the Moscow Air-Show appeared in many ways similar to the Buk (SA-11 Gadfly) SAM (surface-to-air Missile). Russian officials later hinted that air-carriage tests of SAMs had been carried out using a Sukhoi-27 “Flanker”. They were speculated to be SA-11s by foreign media used for form-and-fit tests.

    Designed to fulfill the BVR (beyond visual range) role for “outer-air battles”, an aircraft usually of Sukhoi-27/30/35/37 “Flanker/Super Flanker” family, equipped with KS-172 (also referred to as Article 172) would be able to engage ultra-high-value airborne platforms like AWACS (airborne warning and control system), IFR (in-flight refuelling) and LRMP (long range maritime patrol) platforms, without necessarily having first to deal with their fighter escorts. Development of powerful radar like the formidable NIIP N-011M "Bars" (Snow Leopard) for the Sukhoi-30MKI “Super Flanker” of the IAF, would provide the necessary guidance to the ultra-long-range AAM. The Bars radar is capable of detection of airborne platforms with “generous” RCS (radar cross section) at ranges in excess of 300 km.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highsea View Post

    Never mind, I forgot. India doesn't make anything anyone else wants to buy...

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    Are you sure about that?
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