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    im enlightened enlighten me further

    I had no idea India had special forces. do tell are they along the same lines as the sas and rangers and the legions 2rep or are they more akin to paras and R.M. commandos. I'm interested please elaborate.
    they have us surrounded, the poor bastards.

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    The Indian army has a very old and traditional army. It also happens to be the 3rd largest (volunteer) army in the world.

    1. The parachute regiment has separate commando battalions which specialise for different terrrain ops. The non-commando are more like the UK royal marines.

    2. The National Security Guard is a dedicated anti terrorist unit having 2 separate wings dedicated to guerilla warfare and anti-hijaking ops.

    3. The Special Frontier Force has been raised for a specific reason, which I would'nt like to discuss in an open forum.

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    I see

    Well if you dont mind me asking in what way are you willing to go into those details. if there is anything you can tell me other than what you already have please do and just say what way you want to send it to me. If not I fully understand and will in no way be offended if you refuse to say anything more.
    they have us surrounded, the poor bastards.

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    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-F...pecial-Forces/

    I've got the impression that Indian SOF are not as joint-force as ours. Actually, I don't know how JF you ARW guys are. The Indians, however, still do carry alot of their fire with them. We just tell the birdbrain flying above where to crap.

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    explain

    Joint - force. What do you mean by that. given im not sure what "ours" actually is I have no point of reference to figure out what you meant. Please explain. Would go to that site but for some reason the bloody system keeps throwin me errors so until I get that ironed out I wont be able to see it.
    they have us surrounded, the poor bastards.

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    You will find some of the info about the SFF in google search. So some info is already in the open. However, we tend to be like the British, very hush hush about this unit. Although it is a 42 yrs old unit, it is one of our highly decorated units.

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    You are right, our SF units are not as JF as yours. By that I mean inter service integration. We still carry all the shit that we deliver to the enemy.

    Our basic commando training is similar to that of the UK paras/RM. A ranger team of a western country trained in our cdo school, and the students found it to be hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARW_cpl
    Joint - force. What do you mean by that. given im not sure what "ours" actually is I have no point of reference to figure out what you meant. Please explain. Would go to that site but for some reason the bloody system keeps throwin me errors so until I get that ironed out I wont be able to see it.
    Joint Force means cross service integration, including Land, Air, and Naval Forces. As far as green ops go, as opposed to black ops, SOF should act as nothing more than recee directing fire onto their targets. The fire may come from army artillery, AF Close Air Support, or a sea launched cruise missile.

    It also means that SOF are only part of an overall mission. They hot link directly back to the HQ who then direct the required assets onto the SOF team.

    The days of Rambo are over (if they ever existed).

    The Indian SOF still are required to carry alot of their fire with them in which case you see jeeps with ATGMs. I would hazzard to guess that they would carry a standard C4 satchel charge or have access to one in the unit within their TOE.

    In either case, stealth, not fire, is their primary advantage.

    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    Our basic commando training is similar to that of the UK paras/RM. A ranger team of a western country trained in our cdo school, and the students found it to be hell.
    Your guys don't have to learn to be geeks (ie, use a computer in the middle of a battlefield).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARW_cpl
    I had no idea India had special forces. do tell are they along the same lines as the sas and rangers and the legions 2rep or are they more akin to paras and R.M. commandos. I'm interested please elaborate.
    You ought to be seriously kidding. India raised Special forces in the year 1965 (I Think).

    http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-F...pecial-Forces/

    Para Commandos (Army SOF)
    Marine Commando Force (Navy SOF - Marcos)
    Garud Commando Force (Airforce SOF)
    National Security Guards (Counter Terrorism)
    Special Frontier Force (Obvious)
    Special Protection Group (VIP protection)

    BTW, My avtar is Indian Army Paratroopers SOF badge.

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    You ought to be seriously kidding. India raised Special forces in the year 1965 (I Think).


    Hi Jay sir,

    I think you got the raising date wrong. SFF got raised end of '62 war in Nov or December. Im not sure of the conversion of the para units into dedicated cdo units. But it was before '65. Correct me if im wrong.

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    I beg to differ there. True, the task of SF units is recce and observation and directing arty/ or air fire on the enemy. However, we have integral cdo platoons in our inf bns that do those tasks. Our Cdo battalions are used for strategic ops and come under the Corp HQs. For tasks that require presence on the ground one has to cater to those requirements.

    So stealth is an integral part of the task. Though we still train and carry out the LRGD (David Sterling) style ops. It works. Even the UK SAS functioned similarly in the First Gulf war.

    Besides in counter-insugency ops the lesser the use of air and arty the better. Causes fewer civilian casualities and less alianation of the population towards the army/govt.

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    Not sure what you're differing about. In all cases, SOF cannot stand up to regular infantry in a heads up fight.

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    Sir, SF if employed as regular inf can do the task. But that depends of the composition and structure of the unit. Our SF (of the Parachute regt and the SFF are structured in that manner.

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    erm in certain ways

    Not sure what you're differing about. In all cases, SOF cannot stand up to regular infantry in a heads up fight.
    I think thats cirumstantial. If the Sf are vastly outnumbered then they will almost certainley be defeated (unless they have the element of surprise). However SF troops have far better aim and capability with weapons than regular soldiers. At the end of the day it depends how many normal soldieers there are because the fact is SF are better otherwise they would not be known as they are. A section in attack against a 4 man SF team stands almost no chance. Anyway can any of you Germans out there shed any light on your Armies SF the KSK. Oh and if anyone knows anything about Grom (polish special forces) could they please post it.
    they have us surrounded, the poor bastards.

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    There is no such thing as a platoon of regular infantry against a SOF brick. It's always a platoon of infantry backed by a combat support company backed by a battery of howitzers backed by a squadron of birds above. The SOF brick is simply dead.

    Lemontree,

    Airborne units, including Rangers and Parachute Regiments, are considered light infantry, not SOF.

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    platoon?

    There is no such thing as a platoon of regular infantry against a SOF brick. It's always a platoon of infantry backed by a combat support company backed by a battery of howitzers backed by a squadron of birds above. The SOF brick is simply dead
    What are you on about I never said anything about a platoon. I mentioned a section (you do know what that is dont you). Oh btw not being smart but if terminology is different you may not have understood me.
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    support company backed by a battery of howitzers backed by a squadron of birds above
    outnumbered. .
    Airborne units, including Rangers and Parachute Regiments, are considered light infantry, not SOF.
    Take it you meant American rangers there ooe.
    they have us surrounded, the poor bastards.

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