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    Originally posted by SilleEllis View Post
    There really is an awful lot of military forums here. Maybe it ought to be renamed War Affairs Board ?
    Defence discussion is a major theme here, so that's hardly surprising. ;)
    “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

  • #2
    Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
    Defence
    You do mean defense, right?
    "Every man has his weakness. Mine was always just cigarettes."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
      You do mean defense, right?
      Depends if I've been reading British authors lately or not
      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
        Depends if I've been reading British authors lately or not
        I have that same problem. I never notice it, until I'm typing something in Word, and it gets mad at me for writing in British. If I want to write "armour," "colour," "defence," or what ever, leave me alone, dang it! I hate Word.
        I enjoy being wrong too much to change my mind.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by srirangan View Post
          Hmm.. Is my tree restrictive? I don't really think so, here's an example:

          + International Affairs
          + - North America
          + - - US Politics
          + - - Canadian Politics

          My point was not to restrict WAB's scope, but to better organize it. Of course name's of categories will be different.
          no!!! so many sub-forums suck...
          Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
          -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ArmchairGeneral View Post
            I have that same problem. I never notice it, until I'm typing something in Word, and it gets mad at me for writing in British. If I want to write "armour," "colour," "defence," or what ever, leave me alone, dang it! I hate Word.
            Microsofts conspiracy to get Americans to buy a British version ofn their software.
            "To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are."-Sholem Asch

            "I always turn to the sports page first, which records people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures."-Earl Warren

            "I didn't intend for this to take on a political tone. I'm just here for the drugs."-Nancy Reagan, when asked a political question at a "Just Say No" rally

            "He no play-a da game, he no make-a da rules."-Earl Butz, on the Pope's attitude toward birth control

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            • #7
              Funny, I have the Canadian dictionary uploaded on mine.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                You do mean defense, right?
                Defence.
                I rant, therefore I am.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
                  Funny, I have the Canadian dictionary uploaded on mine.
                  They have their own spellings too? Or they spell it correct (i.e. the Britsh way)?
                  I rant, therefore I am.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ironduke View Post
                    You do mean defense, right?
                    Defence...I second Sri on that one...

                    Whats with arericans changing all the spellings and sometimes even nouns..?

                    Example:German Shepard to Alsation

                    Frecnh Fries to (i believe this is still an ided, or have they really named them) Freedom fries..
                    "To every man upon this earth, Death cometh soon or late;
                    And how can a man die better; Than facing fearful odds,
                    For the ashes of his father; And the temples of his gods."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by srirangan View Post
                      They have their own spellings too? Or they spell it correct (i.e. the Britsh way)?
                      Given their origin as a Dominion of the British Empire, I'd say they spell it the correct way.
                      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
                        Given their origin as a Dominion of the British Empire, I'd say they spell it the correct way.
                        What is this "Dominion" status anyway?

                        Australia/Canada to Queen: We belong to your Kingdom .. but .. we don't.
                        I rant, therefore I am.

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                        • #13
                          Canadian english is mixture of American and British english. For eg, 'semi-finals' in Yank speak would be semeye-finals and in Canada it would be like semee-finals.
                          Z=Zee in US
                          Z=Zed in Canada.


                          I used to commute to US, mix up the words in both Canada(use US words) and US(use Canadian words).

                          http://www.cornerstoneword.com/misc/cdneng/cdneng.htm


                          Rather long link:
                          Cornerstone's Canadian English Page

                          This page explains the major differences between Canadian English and its British and American compatriots, follows the debate over colour and color, talks about place names and French, then looks at some unique Canadian vocabulary and ends with a short essay on pronunciation and regional variations.

                          This is especially important in light of Microsoft's error-filled "Canadian" speller, found in versions of MS Word.

                          The information is largely excerpted from Write Better, Right Now, our new book of effective writing tips and easy-to-understand grammar rules. You can also go to the Cornerstone home page for information about our writing, editing and PR services, or try our trivia quiz.

                          You are visiting http://www.web.net/cornerstone/cdneng.htm. The copyright to this page is owned by Cornerstone Word Company. If you're going to cut and paste this illegally, at least give us a credit.

                          For our trivia game on Canadian place names, click here.

                          Feel free to e-mail us with your comments. We have received dozens of ideas, tips and even (gasp) corrections from the Internet, especially from Canadian expatriates.

                          Quotable quote

                          "In Canada we have enough to do keeping up with two spoken languages without trying to invent slang, so we just go right ahead and use English for literature, Scotch for sermons and American for conversation." -- Stephen Leacock

                          General rules for Canadian spelling

                          The "rules" for Canadian spelling are not as cut and dried as you might think. There are some regional variations, and differences of opinion exist among editors. The government style guide says that editors should consult the Gage Canadian Dictionary and go with the word used first, an unsatisfactory solution compounded by the unsatisfactory nature of Gage. To get a better sense of what the norm is, in 1984 the Freelance Editors' Association of Canada (now called the Editors' Association of Canada) surveyed publishers, academics, PR people, editors and writers about their spelling preferences. Here's what FEAC found out.

                          COLOUR OR COLOR? Three quarters of the respondents preferred -our endings. (See below.)

                          CENTRE OR CENTER? Eighty-nine per cent went with traditional -re endings such as centre and theatre .

                          CIGARETTE OR CIGARET? A similar proportion as above preferred cauldron to caldron and preferred the long forms of axe, catalogue, cigarette, moustache and omelette, but program won out over programme.

                          DEFENCE OR DEFENSE? Four fifths of the sample preferred -ce over -se in nouns such as defence, practice and pretence, but let -se stand when such words were used as verbs, such as to practise the piano lesson.

                          AESTHETIC OR ESTHETIC? Three quarters used the diphthong (ae or oe) in such words as aesthetic, archaeology and manoeuvre, but those polled split on medieval.

                          ORGANIZE OR ORGANISE? Canadian editors rejected the British -ise endings, such as organise, preferring -ize endings. (This page, in fact, was born when several of our clients ran our work through MS Word spellers, and then complained about "spelling mistakes" like organization.)

                          CHEQUE OR CHECK? Many homonyms are given different spellings to convey different meanings, including mould/mold, cheque/check and racquet/racket. A cheque, for example, is something you use to pay for a dipstick, which you can use to check your oil.

                          ENROLL OR ENROL? Majorities of up to 90 per cent liked the double L in such words as enroll, fulfill, install, marvelled, marvellous, signalled, skillful, traveller and woollen.

                          This brings us to a quirk of Canadian spelling, in that we have our own way of doubling letters before adding suffixes. If a word ends in a single vowel followed by a single consonant, that consonant is usually doubled for most suffixes. "I am biased since I helped myself to local cuisine while travelling in Greece." This rule is a little different from the American rule, which forbids the consonant doubling unless the word has one syllable, or stresses the last syllable.

                          Here are a few spelling distinctions that FEAC didn't look into.

                          ADVISER OR ADVISOR? We'd go with advisor.

                          COMPLEAT OR COMPLETE? Canadian spelling is complete. Use of compleat tends to be reserved for affectation.

                          CO-ORDINATE OR COORDINATE? Canadians like hyphens after co. Co-ordinate how you co-operate. The government style often differs, however.

                          GRAY OR GREY? Canadian spelling is grey.

                          SCEPTICAL OR SKEPTICAL? Canadian spelling is with a C, although this is fading with time. Many newspapers use K.

                          SULFUR OR SULPHUR? Canadians prefer sulphur, but the scientific standard is sulfur.

                          The great -our debate

                          Until 1998, Canadian Press bucked an institution as Canadian as snow in June. Its style manual insisted that its writers spell colour and honour without the u's.

                          In its defence, CP said that the spelling issue was not settled in Canada until 1890, when John A. Macdonald personally ruled in favour of -our so that "the same system should obtain in all portions of the British Empire." (Macdonald's order-in-council still applies to writers in government offices, a rare English example of language by edict!)

                          But as CP pointed out, only about 40 common words take -our, while many common words do not. And as Henry Fowler points out in his Modern English Usage, "By the side of favour there is horror , beside ardour pallor, beside odour tremor, and so forth." Worse still, many words that take -our lose the extra letter when the words are elongated. Glamour becomes glamorous , honour becomes honorary and colour becomes coloration.

                          However, newspapers notwithstanding, the most recent version of the Gage Canadian Dictionary finally gave the -our spellings precedence. And the Ottawa Citizen has returned to -our, suggesting a trend that we at Cornerstone can only cheer. Now that CP itself has fallen into line, the debate is pretty well over.

                          Some Canadian vocabulary

                          This section discusses some of the ways that Canadian English differs from American or British English. English, in fact, is different all over the world. Australians, for example, are famous for their unusual slang, called strine.

                          Attorney vs. barrister vs. lawyer vs. solicitor: An attorney is anyone who conducts somebody else's business. Many attorneys are lawyers. In the United Kingdom, solicitors prepare cases and barristers plead them in court, but in Canada a lawyer can do either or both, so the distinction doesn't mean much. Use the less pretentious lawyer.

                          Allophone: Someone whose first language is neither English nor French.

                          Anglophone: Someone who speaks English as a first language.

                          AWL: The Canadian term for absent without official leave or AWOL.

                          Bill vs. check: Canadians ask for the bill.

                          Billion: The British say that a billion is a million million (1,000,000,000,000). American say that a billion is a thousand million (1,000,000,000) and insist that a million million is actually a trillion. The Canadian Press agrees with the Americans, and that's good enough for us.

                          Boot vs. trunk: Canadians store their jumper cables in the trunk of their cars.

                          Brown bread: When you order toast, you can get white toast or brown toast. Brown toast doesn't mean "really toasted." It means whole-wheat bread.

                          Caisse populaire: A kind of co-op bank, found mostly in Quebec. Popularly known as a caisse pop.

                          Can vs. tin: Younger Canadians tend to eat out of cans, while older Canadians often eat out of tins.

                          Canadian bacon: This is what Americans call back bacon. The long strips you usually eat for breakfast are called side bacon in both countries.

                          Canadian food: There's Chinese food and Italian food, but what kind of food is Canadian food? Some menu items have been created in Canada, notably poutine and beavertails. But hamburgers (first served at a New Haven, Conn., lunch counter in 1900) and hot dogs (first served at New York City's Polo Grounds in 1906) are American fare. (See Poutine, however, for an example of a Canadian dish.)

                          Chemist vs. drugstore vs. pharmacy: Canadians don't go to chemists, at least not when they need aspirin.

                          Chesterfield vs. couch: Canadians may sit on either, depending on where you are in the country and how old you are. Couch, sadly, appears to be predominant now, although many Canadians use sofa.

                          Chips vs. fries: Menus will usually specify fries or French fries, unless they are serving fish and chips. Canadians tend to use chips in spoken language, but chips can also refer to what the British call crisps (the snack that comes in bag). Canadians usually put vinegar on their chips, rather than ketchup.

                          Click: Canadian slang for kilometre. "I drove 50 clicks last week."

                          College: A Canadian college is very different from an American college. An American college is a limited version of a university, one that can grant only bachelor's degrees. A Canadian college is at best a halfway house between high school and university. Most can only grant diplomas, although many of the older colleges now grant degrees and are actually called university colleges. Adding to the confusion, colleges in Quebec are known as cegeps.

                          Corn vs. maize: In Canada, corn is a specific cereal plant with yellow kernels. In England, corn refers to a broader range of cereals, including wheat, rye, oats and barley. What we call corn, the English call maize.

                          Curb vs. kerb: Canadians walk on the curb, not the kerb.

                          Deke: Football, baseball and boxing have all enriched American English, so it's not surprising that hockey has added to Canadian English. A deke occurs when one player tricks and then skates around another. In Canada, to deke is to feint, although you also deke out of meetings if you slip away unnoticed.

                          Dick: Our Internet penpals tell us that only Canadians use "dick" to mean "absolutely nothing," as in, "Last weekend I did dick all." There are, of course, other meanings.

                          Doubloon vs. toonie: The Canadian Mint does not officially assign nicknames to its coins. We like doubloon because there was a Spanish coin by that name, but toonie (also spelled twoonie) seems to have caught on.

                          Eh?: A famous Canadian way of ending sentences. Save this for quotations and for instances when you are playing up the Canadian identity of something. (In case you were wondering, it usually means "don't you think?")

                          Elevator vs. lift: Canadians take elevators.

                          Eskimo: We had heard that this was actually the word that Cree use to insult the Inuit. It supposedly means raw meat eater and is akin to calling black people watermelon-eaters. We have since heard that this theory has been debunked on the alt.english.usage FAQ. Eskimo is still current in the United States, however. Inuit is a plural. The singular is Inuk. See "Indian" for more.

                          Faucet vs. tap: Canadians turn on the tap.

                          Floor vs. storey: Floor is preferred in Canada. Note that the first floor of buildings in Quebec is actually the second floor in the rest of the country.

                          Francophone: Someone who speaks French as a first language, as opposed to an anglophone.

                          Gallon: A British gallon is different from an American gallon. Canadians, of course, use neither. A British gallon is 4.5 litres and an American gallon is 3.8 litres.

                          Gas vs. petrol: Canadians fill the tanks of their cars with gas.

                          Goodbye: This is the Canadian spelling. Note the lack of a hyphen.

                          Grasslands vs. prairies: Grasslands is a generic term that refers to &ldots; well &ldots; land covered in wild grass. Grasslands in specific parts of the world have different names. Canada has prairies, the United States has plains, Russia has steppes, North Africa has a savannah, South Africa has a veldt and South America has pampas.

                          Holiday vs. vacation: Canadians generally go on vacations.

                          Homo milk: This has nothing at all to do with niche marketing. Homo milk is homogenized milk, called whole milk in the States.

                          Honour guard: The Canadian equivalent is guard of honour.

                          Hoser: This is supposed to be a word that Canadians use to insult each other, except that no Canadian ever seemed to have heard of it before Bob and Doug Mackenzie started using it in the 1980s.

                          Housecoat: A housecoat is the kind of bathrobe you can wear to get the morning paper, and not worry about being seen by the neighbours.

                          Humidex: A term referring to the combined effect of heat and humidity on temperature. So weather announcers will say that it is 28 degrees today, but with the humidex it feels like 33. (Remember that those are metric degrees!)

                          Keener: A brown-noser whose excessive keen-ness for the unpleasant task at hand makes the rest of us look bad.

                          Kerfuffle: This Scottish word refers to a flurry of agitation, as in, "There was quite a kerfuffle after Mike asked for the project three days early."

                          Indian: There are two types of Indians. East Indians are from South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and so forth). The other Indians live in North and South America. It is perfectly acceptable to refer to Indians as Indians. However, the Inuit and some other northern peoples are not Indians. Their ancestors arrived later and came from different racial stock. The Métis aren't Indians either. They were originally a mixture of Indian and French blood. You have a variety of options when you want to refer collectively to Indians, the Inuit and the Métis. Some newspapers like First Nations, but this is unwieldy, especially when used as an adjective, and in any event only applies to treaty Indians on reserves. Another possibility is Native Canadian, but anyone born here is a native Canadian, and a capital letter is not enough to reduce the confusion. Our preference is Aboriginal.

                          Loan vs. lend: Loan is a noun, while to lend is a verb, the past tense of which is lent. Loaned is not a word. Americans don't usually make this distinction, though, and it is becoming more acceptable in Canada to use loan as a verb. In any event, never confuse loan and borrow.

                          Loonie or loony: This is a colloquialism for Canada's dollar coin. The plural is loonies. The nickname comes from the loon on the coin.

                          Mickey: A mickey is one of those curved, flat, 13-ounce bottles of booze that winos carry.

                          Offence vs. offense: Canadians prefer offence, but offensive. Not that we're ever either, being the notoriously polite people that we are &ldots;

                          Off side: From the hockey term offside, meaning that a player has raced too far ahead of the puck, this phrase is often used in Canada to mean someone is not on board.

                          On side: Used frequently in Canada to mean that you're in agreement, this term may come from hockey, where players can be offside.

                          Phone: One of our Internet penpals tells us that Americans don't phone each other, they call instead. Canadians can do either.

                          Pissed: Pissed is now common on American television shows, where it means annoyed, although in Canada it can also mean drunk . If a Canadian is annoyed, she is pissed off.

                          Pogey: This is a mildly pejorative Canadian word for welfare or, occasionally, unemployment insurance. (Speaking of which, unemployment insurance is now called employment insurance.)

                          Poutine: Poutine is a cholesterol-rich Canadian "delicacy" consisting of French fries covered in cheese curds and gravy. When prepared badly, it congeals in your guts like concrete.

                          Pure laine: From the French words for pure wool, this expression refers to French Canadians whose roots go back to colonial New France. It also connotes racial purity, and as such is mildly offensive.

                          Railroads vs. railways: Canadians prefer railways.

                          Reserve vs. reservation: American Indians may live on reservations. Canadian Indians may live on reserves.

                          Riding: In Canada's Parliament and in provincial assemblies, elected members represent ridings, roughly equivalent to congressional districts in the United States.

                          Serviette: Canadians refer to serviettes instead of table napkins, especially if they (the napkins, not the Canadians) are made of paper. This is fading with time.

                          Sneakers: Canadians prefer running shoes or simply runners.

                          Sniggler: A sniggler is someone who takes the parking spot you wanted, or who otherwise does something perfectly legitimate, but which nonetheless inconveniences or annoys you. (This isn't a real word, but it is incredibly fun to say aloud. Try it and see for yourself.)

                          Soda vs. pop vs. coke: Canadians drink pop. Ask for a soda and you'll get soda water. Avoid referring to coke unless you mean a product made by Coca-Cola or the drug that was once added to it. (There is some regional variation here.)

                          Some vs. somewhat: Some is an adjective, but somewhat is an adverb. "I was somewhat annoyed to see that some of the forks had been stolen." Unfortunately, there is a wonderful intensifier from Newfoundland, some shocking good , that is eviscerated by this rule.

                          Sook or suck: A crybaby. The adjective is sookie or suckie. Sook rhymes with hook. For some reason, you can get away with using sook in polite company, but never suck.

                          States: The US of A is almost always referred to as the States, except in writing, when it becomes the US.

                          Stockholder vs. shareholder: Canadians are usually shareholders.

                          Taps: This the American bugle call. The Canadian equivalent of Taps is Last Post.

                          Tory: In the US, Tories were supporters of King George during the Revolution. The word connotes villainy. In Canada, these "Tories" are called United Empire Loyalists, or simply Loyalists. Our Tories are members of the Progressive Conservative party. And by coincidence, in many circles, the Canadian word Tory also connotes villainy. (The rarely used equivalent for the Liberals is Grit.)

                          Traveller's cheque: Note the placement of the apostrophe and the Canadian spellings.

                          Twenty-sixer: Actually, with the introduction of metric, this should be called a 750er, since the bottles of booze now contain 750 millilitres rather than 26 fluid ounces. Young Canadian men frequently boast about consuming twenty-sixers and two-fours, all by themselves. You can safely assume they are either lying or dead. See "Pissed."

                          Two-four: Also called a two-fer, this is a case of 24 bottles of beer. Some idiot DJs call it a two-fer when they play two consecutive songs by the same artist (as in, Two for Tuesday -- hilarious, eh?).

                          Tuque: In Canada, a tuque is a knitted woollen cap. It rhymes with kook.

                          Utilidor: Short for utility corridor , this term is used mostly in the Canadian North.

                          Washroom: Canadians head for the washroom when they need to use the toilet. Bathrooms are places with bathtubs in them.

                          Zed: This is the proper way to pronounce the last letter of the alphabet.

                          Pronunciation and regionalism

                          Generally, Canadian pronunciation is almost identical to American pronunciation, especially in Ontario, which was first settled by Americans who supported George during the Revolution.

                          There are some small differences, however. The most famous difference is the ou sound in words like house and out, which sound to American ears like hoose and oot. (Some say the words sound more like hoase and oat). Canadians also tend to pronounce cot the same as caught and collar the same as caller. Keen ears will hear a Canadian distinction in certain vowels: the i comes out differently in knife and in knives, in bite and in bide, and in price and in prizes. Many Canadians also will turn t sounds into d sounds, so Iron Maiden will seem to be a "heavy-meddle" band and the capital appears to be "Oddawa."

                          There are also pronunciation and vocabulary differences in three Canadian regions.

                          In Quebec, the accent is an interesting combination of Jewish and French influences. Quebec anglophones have freely adopted French words, such as autoroute for highway and depanneur for corner store, as well as French constructions, such as take a decision and shut a light. In Quebec, people take the Metro instead of the subway, belong to syndicates instead of unions and attend reunions instead of meetings.

                          In Atlantic Canada, accents are more influenced by Scottish and Irish sounds, especially in Cape Breton and in Newfoundland. Newfoundland has hundreds of distinctive words, many of them derived from its fishing industry. One common Newfoundlandism is outport, meaning a small coastal community, which brings us to the endless rivalry between townies (people from St. John's) and baymen (people from outports and, to their great consternation, inland communities such as Gander and Corner Brook). Note that while Newfoundland is one of the Atlantic provinces, it is not a Maritime province, and that St. John's, Newfoundland, is not the same place as Saint John, New Brunswick.

                          In the Ottawa Valley, the accent is heavily influenced by the Irish who settled the area. The accent here is even more close-mouthed than it is elsewhere in Canada.

                          As time goes on and Candians watch more American TV, Canadians everywhere are beginning to sound more like Americans.
                          Last edited by gilgamesh; 23 Nov 06,, 11:43.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by srirangan View Post
                            What is this "Dominion" status anyway?

                            Australia/Canada to Queen: We belong to your Kingdom .. but .. we don't.
                            They belong to the Queen, in the same way that the UK belongs to the Queen. They don't belong to the UK however - they are entirely independent countries with the same head of state.
                            Rule 1: Never trust a Frenchman
                            Rule 2: Treat all members of the press as French

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                            • #15
                              I need to visit the chemist's shoppe today, after I put some petrol in my car.

                              Are we the only ones using gasoline? Most other English speaking countries use petrol.
                              "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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