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Hardly an adult topic. Teen maybe. I've looked around and I see cats, cartoons and many others things that a serious adult scholar would not even touch even when he is drinking at the pub and in a comical mood.
42 pages of discussion of Damascus steel, plate armour, leather armour, mass warfare, individual duels and that's all you come up with.
And hey, idiot, the samurai had a field day with the ninjas. They wiped out the ninja clans.
Originally posted by Officer of EngineersView Post
42 pages of discussion of Damascus steel, plate armour, leather armour, mass warfare, individual duels and that's all you come up with.
And hey, idiot, the samurai had a field day with the ninjas. They wiped out the ninja clans.
LOL if I was an idiot I would read 42 pages just to make one post. Judge Judy was right when she said: "YOU'RE AN IDIIIIOT!". No rules in this forum huh?
LOL if I was an idiot I would read 42 pages just to make one post. Judge Judy was right when she said: "YOU'RE AN IDIIIIOT!". No rules in this forum huh?
What's been unsaid is that both the knights and the samurai were clobbered by the Mongols. If you want to point to a superior military machine, it's the Mongol horseman.
Actually, that would be my answer from now on. Mongol. At least it shut up this argument.
Originally posted by Officer of EngineersView Post
What's been unsaid is that both the knights and the samurai were clobbered by the Mongols. If you want to point to a superior military machine, it's the Mongol horseman.
Actually, that would be my answer from now on. Mongol. At least it shut up this argument.
Actually, to be a nitpick, thanks to historical circumstances (and luckly for Europe), Mongols never faced top of the line European army. Teutonic knights were scarce and most Europeans were untrained or half trained conscripts.
Actually, to be a nitpick, thanks to historical circumstances (and luckly for Europe), Mongols never faced top of the line European army. Teutonic knights were scarce and most Europeans were untrained or half trained conscripts.
true, but Legnica was where the Mongols gave them the first lessons on transnational manouvre, signalling, feinting, and a willingness to bleed their third army so as to maximise the benefit for the other two armies fighting the magyars. and they gave the west a comprehensive lesson in deception, progressive and deliberate delamination....
they killed the heavies (knights) and beheaded the king. a statement not missed by anyone
Hardly the news arrived by the time it started, given it was in today's Hungary.
The scale of the battle was larger... 10x more men was at Mohi.
subodai was co-ordinating transnational strategy - no country commander had ever done that before, so the dynamics of the battleplanning was literally hundreds of years before any other commander achieved the same thing - the mongols were communicating battle changes far faster than anyone else had done before. their signalling and comms was the the mil equivalent of the pony express
2 days in contemp terms seems trivial - but even then messages went from the battlefield to home in months. tactically they were light years ahead of anyone else - it was a paradigmm shift. and Legnica was always meant to distract and bleed enemy forces so that the battle around Mohi was in as good as a position as possible
managing transnational armies hundreds of kms from each other to deliberately trigger an effect for the larger battle is not insignificant by any means as it goes towards the issue of tactical mindset and battle planning
bear in mind that the third army was prepared to be the sacrificial cow in the broader endgame
we'll just have to agree to have differing views on the chicken or the military egg conundrum :)
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