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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel View Post
    Hardly an adult topic. Teen maybe. I've looked around and I see cats, cartoons and many others things that a serious adult scholar would not even touch even when he is drinking at the pub and in a comical mood.
    42 pages of discussion of Damascus steel, plate armour, leather armour, mass warfare, individual duels and that's all you come up with.

    And hey, idiot, the samurai had a field day with the ninjas. They wiped out the ninja clans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    42 pages of discussion of Damascus steel, plate armour, leather armour, mass warfare, individual duels and that's all you come up with.

    And hey, idiot, the samurai had a field day with the ninjas. They wiped out the ninja clans.
    LOL if I was an idiot I would read 42 pages just to make one post. Judge Judy was right when she said: "YOU'RE AN IDIIIIOT!". No rules in this forum huh?

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    Good bye troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel View Post
    LOL if I was an idiot I would read 42 pages just to make one post. Judge Judy was right when she said: "YOU'RE AN IDIIIIOT!". No rules in this forum huh?
    Of course there are rules in this forum. Take a few days off to read them
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    I'm kind of loathe to engage in these theoreticals for a number of reasons...

    but any half serious discussion has to consider location and terrain....

    its always about planning and logistics

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    Knights. Much better armor. Better weapons. Probably similar level of training.
    And they both used firearms in same time period.

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    What's been unsaid is that both the knights and the samurai were clobbered by the Mongols. If you want to point to a superior military machine, it's the Mongol horseman.

    Actually, that would be my answer from now on. Mongol. At least it shut up this argument.
    Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 31 Jul 16, at 02:32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers View Post
    What's been unsaid is that both the knights and the samurai were clobbered by the Mongols. If you want to point to a superior military machine, it's the Mongol horseman.

    Actually, that would be my answer from now on. Mongol. At least it shut up this argument.
    Actually, to be a nitpick, thanks to historical circumstances (and luckly for Europe), Mongols never faced top of the line European army. Teutonic knights were scarce and most Europeans were untrained or half trained conscripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbluesky View Post
    Actually, to be a nitpick, thanks to historical circumstances (and luckly for Europe), Mongols never faced top of the line European army. Teutonic knights were scarce and most Europeans were untrained or half trained conscripts.
    actually - Battle of Legnica

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    Quote Originally Posted by gf0012-aust View Post
    actually - Battle of Legnica
    Actually - Battle of Mohi :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    Actually - Battle of Mohi :P
    true, but Legnica was where the Mongols gave them the first lessons on transnational manouvre, signalling, feinting, and a willingness to bleed their third army so as to maximise the benefit for the other two armies fighting the magyars. and they gave the west a comprehensive lesson in deception, progressive and deliberate delamination....

    they killed the heavies (knights) and beheaded the king. a statement not missed by anyone

    Mohi came after.

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    2 days later.

    Hardly the news arrived by the time it started, given it was in today's Hungary.

    The scale of the battle was larger... 10x more men was at Mohi.
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    European knights were being whacked long before this. The Mongols invaded and conquered Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    2 days later.

    Hardly the news arrived by the time it started, given it was in today's Hungary.

    The scale of the battle was larger... 10x more men was at Mohi.
    subodai was co-ordinating transnational strategy - no country commander had ever done that before, so the dynamics of the battleplanning was literally hundreds of years before any other commander achieved the same thing - the mongols were communicating battle changes far faster than anyone else had done before. their signalling and comms was the the mil equivalent of the pony express

    2 days in contemp terms seems trivial - but even then messages went from the battlefield to home in months. tactically they were light years ahead of anyone else - it was a paradigmm shift. and Legnica was always meant to distract and bleed enemy forces so that the battle around Mohi was in as good as a position as possible

    managing transnational armies hundreds of kms from each other to deliberately trigger an effect for the larger battle is not insignificant by any means as it goes towards the issue of tactical mindset and battle planning

    bear in mind that the third army was prepared to be the sacrificial cow in the broader endgame

    we'll just have to agree to have differing views on the chicken or the military egg conundrum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doktor View Post
    2 days later.

    Hardly the news arrived by the time it started, given it was in today's Hungary.

    The scale of the battle was larger... 10x more men was at Mohi.
    Legnica was the decisive battle for Hungary. The Mongols killed the reserve/relief force.

    Hints of Deep Battle thought.
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