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    Is Osama bin Laden dead?

    Has he really died of typhoid? robert fox weighs the claim and its implications

    Osama bin Laden, charismatic founder of al-Qaeda, died of typhoid earlier this month in Pakistan, according to a highly classified intelligence brief given to the King of Saudi Arabia and President Chirac this week, and leaked to the French newspaper L'Est Republicain.

    The chief of the terror group was known to have been suffering from acute typhoid and seeking treatment in Pakistan in mid-August. This was picked up and tracked by Saudi intelligence services. The same sources, said by the French to be very reliable, believe he later died.

    The powerful Pakistani intelligenceagency the ISI - at times virtually a parallel government, instrumental among other things in founding the Taliban - has not confirmed the report. "We have no information on Osama's death," a senior Pakistan Interior Ministry official said on Saturday morning.

    Bin Laden last appeared on video in 2004. A few poor-quality audio tapes purporting to be of his voice surfaced earlier this year - but it was impossible to say when the original recordings were made.

    The reaction of the bin Laden command cell of al-Qaeda to the fifth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks was surprisingly muted and unfocused. It said al-Qaeda would attack "American targets" again, and that all Americans should "convert to Islam".

    It is now clear that most of the talking, and broadcasting, by the old command cell has been done by Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri, spokesman and ideologue for bin Laden and always seen as his Number 2. The highly articulate doctor came to the surface in the security operations following the assassination of Egypt's President Anwar Sadat in October 1981. He can only exist in the shadow of the magnetism of bin Laden and is not seen as a leader or strategist in his own right.

    Much the same goes for the al-Qaeda movement as a whole. Like other, admittedly smaller, terrorist groups such as Italy's Red Brigades, it has found it hard to reprise its big spectacular. It has never done anything like 9/11 since. Attacks like the Bali and Mombasa bombs, the train and transport bombings in Madrid in 2004 and London in July last year may have been carried out in the name of Islamic revolution - adopting the al-Qaeda logo as it were - but they were not under bin Laden's direct command.

    The attacks appear to be loosely linked homegrown efforts whose ideological and operational roots are in Pakistan and Bangladesh as much as in the bin Laden training camps in Waziristan and Kashmir.

    The death of bin Laden, if it is confirmed, will be cloaked in the propaganda of martyrdom, mourning and revenge. It could also trigger a major rethink of such notions as "Global War on Terror", which is long overdue. It will be a blow to the sloganising of the neo-conservatives - and their notion of the "clash of civilisations" - and to the high-flown rhetoric of President Bush and Prime Minister Blair.

    It is likely to mean not so much "back to basics" in tackling terrorism, but back to the practicalities of how to deal with terrorists in the real world.
    If at first you don't succeed, call it v1.0!

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    Osama Bin Laden Dead According To Unconfirmed Reports
    By Ty Adams
    Saudi security sources are saying that the al Quaeda leader Osama Bin Laden has died

    Several media outlets have “unconfirmed reports” that the leader of al Qaeda Osama bin Laden is dead.

    The news allegedly is coming from Saudi Security sources who have in past released reliable pieces of information.

    The sources say Bin Laden suffered from a bout of typhoid that left him partially paralyzed while he was in Pakistan at the end of August.

    Currently, the information has not been confirmed as Saudi secret services are apparently want for more information - including the terrorists burials site.
    If at first you don't succeed, call it v1.0!

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    • #3
      'Bin Laden is dead' claim French secret service
      23.09.06

      A French regional newspaper quoted a French secret service report on Saturday as saying that Saudi Arabia is convinced that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan last month.

      L'Est Republicain printed what it said was a copy of the report dated September 21 and said it was shown to President Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and France's interior and defence ministers on the same day.

      "According to a usually reliable source, the Saudi services are now convinced that Osama bin Laden is dead," the document said.

      "The information gathered by the Saudis indicates that the head of al Qaeda was a victim while he was in Pakistan on August 23, 2006, of a very serious case of typhoid which led to a partial paralysis of his internal organs."

      The report, which was stamped with a "confidential defence" label and the initials of the French secret service, said Saudi Arabia first heard the information on September 4 and that it was waiting for more details before making an official announcement.

      Officials contacted by Reuters in Chirac's and Villepin's offices had no immediate comment.

      A senior official in Pakistan's interior ministry said: "We have no information about Osama's death."

      Saudi-born Bin Laden was based in Afghanistan until the Taliban government there was overthrown by U.S.-backed forces in late 2001.

      Since then, U.S. and Pakistani officials have regularly said they believe he is hiding somewhere on the rugged border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      The last videotaped message released by bin Laden was in late 2004, but there have been several low quality audio tapes released this year.
      If at first you don't succeed, call it v1.0!

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      • #4
        I've sided with the "he's dead" argument twice now and been proven wrong both times. I think this time I'll side with the "he's not dead" crowd and hope to be proven wrong again.

        -dale

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        • #5
          Dead?

          As dead as a doornail or as dead till the next video?

          Anyway, Musharraf would know.


          Or would he?


          "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

          I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

          HAKUNA MATATA

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          • #6
            Hmmm, typhoid. With any luck it was AIDS related
            In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.

            Leibniz

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            • #7
              Originally posted by parihaka View Post
              Hmmm, typhoid. With any luck it was AIDS related
              LOL. Was it one of those 72 virgins?
              Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dalem View Post
                I've sided with the "he's dead" argument twice now and been proven wrong both times. I think this time I'll side with the "he's not dead" crowd and hope to be proven wrong again.

                -dale
                That makes two of us!

                The only time I'd hope I was wrong.

                Dead from typhoid is even better that death at the hands of the Americans. A slow, withering death without martyrdom.

                If true Ayman al-Zawahiri should be our next target. IMO this guy is worse than OBL, rotten to the core.
                Facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

                -- Larry Elder

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                • #9
                  I don't know how someone can live that long surrounded by that much sand. Surely he is breathing it in little by little and it is filling up his lungs - wouldn't living in a sand pit take it toll on a person? Seriously, I am not being sarcastic. It just does not seem right to me.

                  My vote is he is still alive out there somewhere. I don't think he'll die until we find him and do it ourselves.
                  "To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are."-Sholem Asch

                  "I always turn to the sports page first, which records people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing but man's failures."-Earl Warren

                  "I didn't intend for this to take on a political tone. I'm just here for the drugs."-Nancy Reagan, when asked a political question at a "Just Say No" rally

                  "He no play-a da game, he no make-a da rules."-Earl Butz, on the Pope's attitude toward birth control

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                  • #10
                    If he is dying from eating infected feces....that's pretty ok with me.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TopHatsLiberal View Post
                      I don't know how someone can live that long surrounded by that much sand. Surely he is breathing it in little by little and it is filling up his lungs - wouldn't living in a sand pit take it toll on a person? Seriously, I am not being sarcastic. It just does not seem right to me.

                      My vote is he is still alive out there somewhere. I don't think he'll die until we find him and do it ourselves.
                      One can live indefinitely in a sandy environment. Just ask a Beduin(if you can avoid him cutting your throat for $.02)

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                      • #12
                        Damn shame if he is actually dead.

                        He should have been brought in alive and strung up where the WTC stood.

                        That would be poetic justice.

                        But then I am sure he is alive and leading his hordes and barbarians through the modern marvels of video conferencing!


                        "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                        I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                        HAKUNA MATATA

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                        • #13
                          I'm being skeptical. Sometimes I think they put stuff out there just to stir things up. I want to see his body and proof that it's his before I believe he's finally bought the farm.
                          "The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. So wake up, Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the ashes." G-Man

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                          • #14
                            Osama is not dead, the intelligence agencies are trying to fish him out since he has not mailed a video since 2004. This report seems to be a fishing exercise.
                            Last edited by lemontree; 25 Sep 06,, 11:07.

                            Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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                            • #15
                              Well good he died due to Typhoid,otherwise muhraff would have claimed another commondo operation and managed a few more billion dollars.!!!

                              OBL dead or alive doesnt change anything!!!
                              What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
                              The ones in the casinos are serious.

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