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    Seattle protects temples, mosques after 'hate' shootings

    SEATTLE, Washington (CNN) -- Seattle police were protecting temples and mosques Saturday after a suspected hate killing prompted fears of the Middle East crisis spreading to the United States.

    Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said a Muslim gunman killed a woman and wounded five others at a Jewish center in Seattle, Washington, Friday afternoon, and police were protecting mosques as well as synagogues out of fears of retaliation.

    A U.S. citizen, Naveed Afzal Haq, has been arrested and booked on a charge of murder and five charges of attempted murder. (Watch armed police take aim as panicked women run -- 1:44)

    The 31-year-old Muslim of Pakistani descent was angry at Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon, officials said.

    In a written statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations on Friday condemned the attack.

    "The American Muslim and Jewish communities must do whatever is within their power to prevent the current conflict in the Middle East from being transplanted to this country," the Washington-based civil rights and advocacy group said.

    Robert Jacobs, Pacific Northwest Regional director for the Anti-Defamation League, told CNN the group has been warning Jewish institutions to be wary and have adequate security because of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

    If they cannot, he said, it would be better for Jews "not to congregate in one location that might be an obvious site."

    Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels described Friday's shooting as "a crime of hate." "There's no place for that in the city of Seattle," he said.

    "This was a purposeful hateful act, as far as we know, by an individual acting alone."

    Haq, who lives in Pasco, 180 miles from Seattle, is being held in King County Jail.

    Kerlikowske said Haq walked into the Jewish Federation building shortly after 4 p.m. armed with a large caliber semi-automatic handgun.

    He asked for the manager and then started shooting.

    One woman was killed and five others wounded, police said.

    The five victims were hospitalized; three of the women were wounded critically while the other two victims, including a 37-year-old who is 20 weeks pregnant, were in satisfactory condition.

    The wounded ranged in age from 23 to 43. Although all were women, nothing indicated that women were targeted, Kerlikowske said.

    Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a co-worker who was not in the building, said staff members recalled Haq as saying: "I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel," according to The Associated Press. The AP quoted her as saying his shooting was described as random.

    About 12 minutes after the shooting began, the man laid down his handgun and surrendered to SWAT officers, Kerlikowske said.

    Kerlikowske said he believed the shooting was a hate crime, based on what Haq had said to a 911 operator and supervisor. Kerlikowske declined to divulge further details.

    "We are also protecting mosques, because there is always the concern of retaliatory crime or retaliatory incident," Kerlikowske said.

    Assistant Police Chief Nick Metz said police had no specific information about any threats, but his department had issued an alert on Thursday "reminding officers to be vigilant to monitor synagogues and mosques in the city."

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    I'm not sure how more peaceful acts we can take from the followers of this beautiful compassionate charitable religion of peace.

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    A U.S. citizen, Naveed Afzal Haq, has been arrested and booked on a charge of murder and five charges of attempted murder.

    The 31-year-old Muslim of Pakistani descent was angry at Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon, officials said.
    So Israel strikes Hezbollah in Lebanon and this guy figures the best thing for him to do is shoot some Jews in Seattle

    One woman was killed and five others wounded, police said.

    The five victims were hospitalized; three of the women were wounded critically while the other two victims, including a 37-year-old who is 20 weeks pregnant, were in satisfactory condition.
    Perfect! Turn a gun on a group of helpless women...including a pregnant one. That's true courage and bravery. It's a shame they couldn't arrange some mentally-handicapped Jewish toddlers or crippled elderly for this guy to shoot. That'd definitely help him take out his anger on Israel.

    The wounded ranged in age from 23 to 43. Although all were women, nothing indicated that women were targeted, Kerlikowske said
    No, women were not targeted, they were merely in range and one dead Jew is as good as the next it seems.

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    mmm, just wondering about all those advanced F-16 and missiles Pakistan getting from US..it takes only one 'disgrunted' pilot to nuke a US task force in the Arabian Sea. Good luck..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kams
    mmm, just wondering about all those advanced F-16 and missiles Pakistan getting from US..it takes only one 'disgrunted' pilot to nuke a US task force in the Arabian Sea. Good luck..
    It would take care of any future problems with Pakistan though...
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    Pakistani origin man on anti-Israel shooting spree in Seattle

    And so it goes, while Seattle remains in the US and is not as yet not a part of the Caliphate .

    Pakistanis seem to clawing their way up to the top dog position as the preferred solders of Jihad when it comes to exterminating Non Muslim Americans .

    I will be very happy to provide links, if challenged, to back up my immediately preceding comment .

    Meanwhile I unapologetically post this news item from the “Zionist Press” and need I add the term “ Islamophobic”. The terrorist has a Pakistani connection for the X plus Y time if not the X to the power of Y time .

    Pick your National choice on the reach of Pakistani connected terrorism.

    Can I interest you in Australia or maybe Britain ? How about Canada ? That is the ABC’s of terroirsm.

    For the A’s let me chuck in America or Afghanistan as well, and lest the C’s feel bereft, let us add China to Canada.

    Sum total, Pakistani’s are very LIKELY to be predisposed to terrorism.

    Trust my prior posts on the topic will be sufficient to buttress this point, else will be happy to do once again prove it is not Yankee and/or Yehudi and/or Yindoo plot .

    Meanwhile the choice of posting an Indian news site was deliberate I would love to hear it is entirely a fabrication :

    Pak-origin man on anti-Israel shooting spree SEATTLE:

    A man walked into a Jewish organisation here and opened fire, killing one woman and injuring at least five others before he was arrested, officials said.

    While police withheld the suspect's identity, he was described as a US citizen of Pakistani descent between 30 and 40 years old.

    The gunman who claimed to be a Muslim angry at Israel, forced his way through the security door on Friday afternoon at the Jewish Federation after an employee had punched in her security code, said Marla Meislin-Dietrich, a co-worker who wasn't in the building at the time.

    "Staff members said they overheard him saying 'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,' before opening fire. He was randomly shooting at everyone."

    Naveed Afzal Haq was taken into police custody late Friday for investigation of homicide and attempted homicide. The shooting ended shortly after it erupted about 4 pm. Employees fled the centre as police officers charged to the scene and blocked off several downtown blocks.

    The gunman spoke with an emergency services dispatcher, a phone call that led police to call the shooting a hate crime. Mayor Greg Nickels said officers were moving to protect synagogues and mosques, but said there was no evidence of a broad threat.

    "This was a purposeful, hateful act, as far as we know by an individual acting on his own," Nickels said. Laura Laughlin, special agent in charge of the Seattle FBI office, said the suspect is a US citizen not from Seattle.

    Agents were working to contact his relatives. Authorities have been advising synagogues and Jewish groups to be watchful in the weeks since hostilities erupted in West Asia.

    The federation's website describes its mission as "to ensure Jewish survival and enhance the quality of Jewish life by meeting needs locally, in Israel and worldwide." It was among the sponsors of a Solidarity With Israel rally last weekend.

    Patti Simon was at work at the federation's newspaper on the first floor when she heard the commotion and what sounded like furniture crashing on the second floor.

    "We heard this horrible screaming on the floor above us and shots," said Simon, 52, who sells advertising at the paper. "We didn't know what was happening." Simon called up to her co-workers on the second floor, but got no answer, so she called the police and fled the building.

    "People got shot, some of our co-workers," Simon said. "I just got back from Israel and made it out of there half-an-hour before the rockets started."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    It would take care of any future problems with Pakistan though...
    Nah ……………….

    It will all be put down to a horrible case of mistaken identity perpetrated by those smart aleck Cubans/Iranians/North Koreans/Venezuelans or whichever nonentity that lacks a significant capability to hurt and thereafter at least 3 Billion of your tax dollars will be granted as a mea culpa for the folly of even thinking that the Pakistani’s would have contemplated this act.

    I am 400% certain of that .

    Reminds me of a perhaps apocryphal Marx saying that the Capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him. In this case the Capitalist will give you an intrest free loan on a non returnable basis aka: a grant to hang you.

    Let me hope that Marx ,as was Communism, is/was wrong.

    Simply put, the current US Administration has locked itself into rhetoric that Pakistan is a completely normal State . Too late now to change tack as consistent rhetoric attains its own life and becomes the accepted truth . It would not really matter except that there will be a bunch of my dead fellow citizens as the price of that folly . That a bunch of your fellow citizens will/have followed suit, is no satisfaction to me.
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    Trust me, if Pak ever becomes a direct threat to the US beyond a worrying itch, they will take care of it. Its just that now with Iraq, Afghanistan and the ME fracas, the US has too many things on its plate.

    For India those F16s are a pain- for a F22 armed USAF, they'll be an eyesore at most.
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    To add to my above post though, some folks believe that Pak already is a potential loose cannon to the US, hence the mollycoddling of Musharraf..but it hasnt got to the level of a Ahmedijinad who is nutter enough to make open threats..
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    I am not entirely sure about what you say.

    Let me step back from the Musharraf versus Ahmednijad comparison and instead look at the broader Pakistan versus Iran issue when it comes to putting American lives in America at risk.

    Notwithstanding Musharraf ‘s relative lack of anti American rhetoric and Ahmednijad’s relative presence of anti American rhetoric, the fact remains that Pakistani linked acts of terror actual and putative have IMO threatened / taken more American lives in America then similar Iranian linked acts of terrorism.

    Having followed at some length Pakistani linked acts of terror actual and putative in America and having posted about it here at some length here on WAB, I am confident of my assertion, perhaps simply because no one else has cared to post Iranian linked acts of terror actual and putative in America.

    Perhaps someone might like to disabuse me of my notion that despite generous payouts supported ultimately by the American taxpayer, Pakistani linked acts of terror actual and putative have IMO threatened / taken more American lives in America then similar Iranian linked acts of terrorism ?

    As the say say “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me” ………… or alternatively should that be “My Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will always please me”………….. or perhaps all that matters not a whit and in the end rhetoric of death outscores the reality of death ?

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    In so far as the Pakistan - US equation is concerned, there is no doubt that Pakistan has been and possibly still is the hotbed of international terrorism.

    I would accept for argument's sake that Musharraf is serious about ridding Pakistan of terrorists and terrorist factories i.e. madrassas. However, in the face of the Mullahs and the religious masses, he is but only a puppet. He has been able to get some madrassas to register, but they have not allowed him even a peek into their books! That much for Musharraf's actual control of the Pakistani clergy. That much for winding up terrorism!

    The US maybe have greater sights in aim.

    By appeasing Pakistan with lollies, the US is possibly lulling Pakistan and in the meantime look at the greater prize Balochistan.

    I have already stated why the US is keen on Balochistan earlier and so there is no need to repeat.

    I always state that though quite a few think that the US foreign policy is a trifle cockeyed, it actually is very sharp, incisive and far thinking!

    Therefore, Bush may appear to bumble along, but in that bumbling is a method that is far deeper than what we can see!

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    No one cares about whether the man came from Pakistan or Indonesia or Boise, Idaho. We care about the fact that he is a Muslim who wants to kill Jews.

    -dale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hari_Om
    I am not entirely sure about what you say.

    Let me step back from the Musharraf versus Ahmednijad comparison and instead look at the broader Pakistan versus Iran issue when it comes to putting American lives in America at risk.

    Notwithstanding Musharraf ‘s relative lack of anti American rhetoric and Ahmednijad’s relative presence of anti American rhetoric, the fact remains that Pakistani linked acts of terror actual and putative have IMO threatened / taken more American lives in America then similar Iranian linked acts of terrorism.

    Having followed at some length Pakistani linked acts of terror actual and putative in America and having posted about it here at some length here on WAB, I am confident of my assertion, perhaps simply because no one else has cared to post Iranian linked acts of terror actual and putative in America.

    Perhaps someone might like to disabuse me of my notion that despite generous payouts supported ultimately by the American taxpayer, Pakistani linked acts of terror actual and putative have IMO threatened / taken more American lives in America then similar Iranian linked acts of terrorism ?

    As the say say “Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me” ………… or alternatively should that be “My Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will always please me”………….. or perhaps all that matters not a whit and in the end rhetoric of death outscores the reality of death ?

    Yes, you have a point there but like I said its partly about the situation..

    See, in Pakistan, you have the Army and the english speaking elite, who are highly amenable to "deal making" with America. It is entirely of course a different matter that they break agreements left, right and center, and America is "good" only as long as the $'s keep flowing & it is in their camp against India (and even apart from that, blood runs thicker than water and hence privately the Great Satan is pilloried)..

    In the case of good old Iran, the Shah was similarly a blue eyed boy- he spent huge amounts on acquiring top notch stuff from the US, his troops/ airmen were trained by Uncle Sam, he got manufacturing facilities for ATGM's/PGMs- at a time when the latter were manna from heaven...then he got overthrown, & the clerics & their followers who ran the camp made no bones about what they thought of the Great Satan (tm).

    Sure they'd deal with the US, but even as they did- they were sponsoring Shia militia in Lebanon, attacking Israelis elsewhere, putting fatwas on Rushdie- doing all the delighfully camp thing Islamic revolutionaries love to do, and of course Khomeini became the poster boy of the anti-US movement in the Middle East...the fact that it was the bloody Persians also unsettled a lot of Arab Govts, whose rulers tacitly backed the US..

    My point is, well you probably know about all the above, so my apologies for the long ramble..but what the Pakistani Army has is:

    *Insitutional support from some sections of the US State Dept/ CIA (eg read Bob Baers book, even he says lets pander to the ***** and everythings A-ok) who grew up with ***** being a useful asset during the cold war and still think everything is "manageable".

    *The utter willingness to subsume national interests by Pakistanis as long as the US is on their "side" vs India...one may argue that they consider their national interest to cut "India to size", so this is a prize they are willing to pay...so for the most part, the Pakistanis have come across excellently, from conducting beautiful guided tours for US delegations to engaging lobbying firms in the Capitol, at a time when socialist India poohed poohed such capitalistic luxuries.

    *Their beautiful line sold to the US establishment- namely, "apres moi, le deluge"- ie after me the deluge. Ayub did this, Yahya did this, Zia did it, now its Musharraf- ie I am pro US- but dayyum, look at those bloody medieval mullahs- those guys will make Pakistan another Iran, now you REALLY dont want that, do you?

    All in all- if the Iranians had a tenth of the brain of the Pakistanis in terms of public appearances, they could have got away with a lot more by dealing with the west whilst keeping their powder dry. The reason being that imho, many western countries have started realising that words apart, there is a difference between "them" and the "others", namely fancy words apart, there is a significant difference between western liberalism and laissez faire, vs a Saudi prince who speaks impeccable English, wears 10,000 $ Italian suits, but at home presides over a brutal misogynistic, insular society..
    Prior to this, whilst many low/mid- level executives got the "reality" and sounded the clarion call- the Arabs and Pakistanis (who revere the Arabs) were always useful and all their warts were minor vis a vis fighting the Soviet Bear.

    But now the Bear has gone- its interests no longer directly impinge upon the Muslim world, but for Chechnya- so its the US & the west which is now in the crossfire. Had been some time coming, but imho- the Muslim community - those who secretly admire the "martyrs, the shaheed" have no clue of wtf they are facing.. the US has been in constant war since the day it has been founded...whether it be the Revolutionary war of independence, the Civil War, the war against privateers, the Indian wars..all the way to WW1, WW2..

    If they think that the US will roll over and accept defeat, and even wishy washy Europe will not ultimately stand by the US, then even the better, because they are severly understimating their opponent...

    My 2 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalem
    No one cares about whether the man came from Pakistan or Indonesia or Boise, Idaho. We care about the fact that he is a Muslim who wants to kill Jews.

    -dale
    The fact is that Pakistan today has a higher proportion of institutions and culture (madrassas, clerics, etc) that can & does radicalize its citizens and even those who emigrate, but return & get radicalized..

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...291752,00.html
    "Yard quizzes three Muslim officers in hunt for terrorist sleepers
    Michael Gillard
    SCOTLAND YARD has placed one of its Muslim officers on restricted duties while it investigates intelligence that he may have attended a terror camp linked to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan."
    Thats all there is to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    The fact is that Pakistan today has a higher proportion of institutions and culture (madrassas, clerics, etc) that can & does radicalize its citizens and even those who emigrate, but return & get radicalized..

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...291752,00.html


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