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    An interesting extract:

    Most Americans would probably be surprised to learn that India is, by all accounts, the most pro-American country in the world. The Pew Global Attitudes Survey, released in June 2005, asked people in 16 countries whether they had a favorable impression of the United States. A stunning 71 percent of Indians said yes. Only Americans had a more favorable view of America (83 percent). The numbers are somewhat lower in other surveys, but the basic finding remains true: Indians are extremely comfortable with, and well disposed toward, America.

    This may be because for decades India's government tried to force-feed anti-Americanism down people's throats. (Politicians in the 1970s spoke so often of the "hidden hand" when explaining India's miseries—by which they meant the CIA or American interference generally—that cartoonists took to drawing an actual hand that descended every now and then to cause havoc.) More likely it is because Indians understand America. It is a noisy, open society with a chaotic democratic system—like theirs. Many urban Indians speak America's language, are familiar with the country and often actually know someone who lives there, possibly even a relative.

    The Indian-American community has been a bridge between the two cultures. The term often used to describe Indians leaving their country is "brain drain." But it's been more like brain gain, for both sides. Indians abroad have played a crucial role in opening up the mother country. They returned to India with money, investment ideas, global standards and, most important, a sense that one could achieve anything. An Indian parliamentarian once famously asked the then prime minister, Indira Gandhi, "Why is it that Indians seem to succeed everywhere except in their own country?" The stories of Indians scaling the highest peaks in America have produced pride and emulation in India. Americans, for their part, have embraced India in some measure because they have had a positive experience with Indians in America.

    Americans also find India understandable. They are puzzled and disturbed by impenetrable decision-making elites like the Chinese Politburo or the Iranian Council of Guardians. A quarrelsome democracy that keeps moving backward, forward and sideways—that they know. Take the current negotiations on nuclear issues. Americans watch what is going on in New Delhi, with people inside the government who are opposed to a nuclear deal leaking negative stories to the media, political opponents using the issue to score points, true ideological opponents being utterly implacable—and this all seems very familiar. Similar things happen every day in Washington.

    Most countries have relationships that are almost exclusively between governments. Think of the links between the United States and Saudi Arabia, which exist among a few dozen high officials and have never really gone beyond that. But sometimes bonds develop not merely between states but between societies. Twice before the United States had developed a relationship with a country that was strategic but also much more—with Britain and later with Israel. In both cases, the resulting ties were broad and deep, going well beyond government officials and diplomatic negotiations. The two countries knew each other, understood each other and as a result became natural and almost permanent partners. America has the opportunity to forge such a relationship with India.

    This is not a matter of strategic "balancing" against China. The world is not that simple. The United States should not create a self-fulfilling prophecy of a conflict with China. The American relationship with China is complex, with many elements of cooperation. China, after all, is one of America's chief creditors, and Americans in turn buy Chinese goods, fueling its growth. Nor will India want to play along as a counterweight to China, since its own relations with its powerful neighbor are crucial. Beijing will overtake America as India's largest trading partner within a couple of years. Both India and America will want to retain their independence in dealing with the Middle Kingdom. That said, the rise of China is the fundamental strategic shift that is altering Asia's—and the world's—landscape. And the United States and India will be glad to have each other's company in that circumstance.

    This doesn't mean that the United States and India will agree on every policy issue. Remember that even during their close wartime alliance, Roosevelt and Churchill disagreed about several issues, most notably India's independence. America broke with Britain over Suez. It condemned Israel for its invasion of Lebanon. Washington and New Delhi have different interests and thus will inevitably have policy disputes. But it is precisely because of the deep bonds between these countries that such disagreements would not alter the fundamental reality of friendship, empathy and association.

    Such a relationship between the United States and India is almost inevitable. Whether the nuclear agreement goes through or not, whether the governments sign new treaties, the two societies are getting increasingly intertwined. A common language, a familiar world view and a growing fascination with each other is bringing together businessmen, nongovernmental activists, journalists and writers.
    Do you see a US-India alliance in this coming century? Or do you see India becoming another China for the US in the coming decades?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11571348...wsweek/page/5/

  • #2
    Oh no not again. Having friendly relations is not akin to having a Strategic Relationship...
    BTW though China and USA are supposed to be enemies, USA has a large Chinese population, certainly larger than the Indians....
    Seek Save Serve Medic

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    • #3
      us migth be the country where indians may look up to work but if you see now the peaple who were working in is are back in india due to economy boom of the country and are helping india reach its goal

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      • #4
        plus good for businessess and entrepreneurs who can get a piggy back ride on the growing economy...
        Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
        -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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        • #5
          Democracies tend to lend themselves to the formation of friendly relations with one another. As far as I am aware, the only clear cut case of one democracy going to war with another was during WWII when Britain declared war on Finland.

          Nations can have friendly relations with one another and they can form alliances, but going a step beyond that requires something special. The reason why there is such a strong bond between countries like Britain and the U.S. or Britain and Australia is because there is a common culture (to a greater or lesser extent); a shared language, an interwinded history, etc.

          In some cases it goes beyond even those things with significant numbers of the population of one country able to trace their heritage to the other country and perhaps even still have relatives in the other country.
          "I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scotsboyuk
            Democracies tend to lend themselves to the formation of friendly relations with one another. As far as I am aware, the only clear cut case of one democracy going to war with another was during WWII when Britain declared war on Finland.
            WWI. The American Civil War. The Yugoslav Wars. Cyperus. India-Pakistan. The Fenian Invasions of Canada. It's a nice little myth that democracies had built around themselves.

            Originally posted by scotsboyuk
            The reason why there is such a strong bond between countries like Britain and the U.S. or Britain and Australia is because there is a common culture (to a greater or lesser extent); a shared language, an interwinded history, etc.
            It's TV. Massive communications (and therefore propaganda) on the cheap. Because we speak the same language, we get fooled alot easier than the Russians and the Chinese (who just had to look at the bikinis on BAYWATCH and don't have to suffer the wretched dialog).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
              WWI. The American Civil War. The Yugoslav Wars. Cyperus. India-Pakistan. The Fenian Invasions of Canada. It's a nice little myth that democracies had built around themselves.



              It's TV. Massive communications (and therefore propaganda) on the cheap. Because we speak the same language, we get fooled alot easier than the Russians and the Chinese (who just had to look at the bikinis on BAYWATCH and don't have to suffer the wretched dialog).

              War of 1812 as well!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                WWI. The American Civil War. The Yugoslav Wars. Cyperus. India-Pakistan. The Fenian Invasions of Canada. It's a nice little myth that democracies had built around themselves.


                Pakistan was never a true democracy. In all of the wars with India, Pakistan was run by a dictator.

                As for the Fenian invasions, at that time Canada was still ruled by a king, hardly a democracy. WWI? Come on. Austria-Hungary was ruled by an emperor, Germany by a dictator, Russia by an inept tsar. Cyperus? Turkey was dominated by a military dictatorship and so was Greece. American Civil War, you got a point but it was a civil war, ditto with Yugoslav Wars.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 667medic
                  Oh no not again. Having friendly relations is not akin to having a Strategic Relationship...
                  BTW though China and USA are supposed to be enemies, USA has a large Chinese population, certainly larger than the Indians....
                  There is also a large Chinese population in Canada as well but we seem to have a better working relation with China than the U.S. does.

                  Freindly relations poses an opertunity to form a strategic relationship, if someone takes the initiative.
                  Facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

                  -- Larry Elder

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                    WWI. The American Civil War. The Yugoslav Wars. Cyperus. India-Pakistan. The Fenian Invasions of Canada. It's a nice little myth that democracies had built around themselves.
                    The bulk of those democracy's are alot younger than the American and British democracy's. Sure two democracy's have gone to war but far less than how often two theocracy's, two dictatorships and any mix therein have gone to war with each other.

                    I have more faith that a democracy will do its best to avoid war that a dictatorship will.
                    Facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

                    -- Larry Elder

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blademaster
                      Pakistan was never a true democracy. In all of the wars with India, Pakistan was run by a dictator.

                      As for the Fenian invasions, at that time Canada was still ruled by a king, hardly a democracy. WWI? Come on. Austria-Hungary was ruled by an emperor, Germany by a dictator, Russia by an inept tsar. Cyperus? Turkey was dominated by a military dictatorship and so was Greece. American Civil War, you got a point but it was a civil war, ditto with Yugoslav Wars.
                      In WW1, i'm pretty sure Germany was a democracy...
                      Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                      -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tronic
                        In WW1, i'm pretty sure Germany was a democracy...
                        Germany during World War I had a few features of democracy as evidenced in it's consitution, but in practice it was still ruled by the Kaiser and his picked men.
                        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                        • #13
                          All were constitutional monarchies.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                            It's TV. Massive communications (and therefore propaganda) on the cheap. Because we speak the same language, we get fooled alot easier than the Russians and the Chinese (who just had to look at the bikinis on BAYWATCH and don't have to suffer the wretched dialog).
                            Do I detect a touch of cynisim?

                            The Anglo-Saxons who once roamed this island would no doubt approve of the culmination of their legacy that is BayWatch. They would surely applaud the infusion of Germanic manliness that is the Hoff. They would also surely appreciate the scantily clad women.

                            The ancient Britons on the other hand are no doubt kicking themselves. If only more of them had listened to Ambrosius the world could have been spared the Anglo-Saxon cultural domination that has led to BayWatch ...
                            "I may be drunk my dear woman, but in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly." WSC

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TopHatter
                              Germany during World War I had a few features of democracy as evidenced in it's consitution, but in practice it was still ruled by the Kaiser and his picked men.
                              ic...
                              Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
                              -Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry

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