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    I was wondering....when the rest of the world finally wakes up, and gives the U.S. considerable opposition on an economic level, what will happen? Due to outsourcing and the development of technology and jobs overseas the influx of immigrants into the u.s. would stop. Would the American people who are left in the country, made up of families who have been here for generation among generations decide to switch to a government based on the far right? I only say this because with the people who are left, I'm guessing they might be nationalistic and wish to nationalize the eocnomy, thereby voting in a fascist government. What are your thoughts on this?

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    First off, the people left here would not only be the old guard. I don't see the Latinos leaving anytime soon. Also, what do you mean by economic opposition? Tariffs? Embargoes? Those will hurt those who impose them as much as they hurt us. Outsourcing? That's not hurting us, that's helping us, reducing costs and increasing productivity. We want more economic development; it means more customers with more money. If, however, for some reason there is a severe depression in the US, it is not outside the realm of reason for a national socialist type of gov't to be voted in. It sure won't last if they try to go dictatorship, though. We've got too many guns. By the way, do you live in the US? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmchairGeneral
    First off, the people left here would not only be the old guard. I don't see the Latinos leaving anytime soon. Also, what do you mean by economic opposition? Tariffs? Embargoes? Those will hurt those who impose them as much as they hurt us. Outsourcing? That's not hurting us, that's helping us, reducing costs and increasing productivity. We want more economic development; it means more customers with more money. If, however, for some reason there is a severe depression in the US, it is not outside the realm of reason for a national socialist type of gov't to be voted in. It sure won't last if they try to go dictatorship, though. We've got too many guns. By the way, do you live in the US? Just curious.
    It doesn't matter how many guns the citizens have, it's not going to help you if they are on the side of the tyrant.

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    That's not tyranny, that's a mob. Luckily, I don't think the gunowners of America will ever be able to agree on anything, let alone a politician/demagogue. Of course, my gun will be on the side of the tyrant; that is, when the tyrant is me.
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    Should your hypothetical become true to the extent that the rest of the world literally gangs up on us economically and it somehow does eclipse us, then I think we'd be fine. We've been second banana before, and not that long ago either.

    And the libertarians here would do a Peter North all over themselves at the mere thought of giving up the Top Dawg slot, truly they would.

    As far as fascism goes, we leave that to the Euros - they seem to like that kind of thing a heckuva lot more than we do.

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    Muchos gracias guys. A little harsh on the attacks, considering they were just questions haha. And yeh, i do live in the u.s. My parents are indian, but i'm an american born. I just wish the whole of america would see the american citizenship as a symbol of allegiance instead of a piniata that drops candy AKA money. I know its idealistic, but blah blah blah. Thanx again.

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    I hope I didn't come across as attacking what you said. I surely didn't mean to sound that way, and if I did, I'm sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KONTAKT ERA
    I was wondering....when the rest of the world finally wakes up, and gives the U.S. considerable opposition on an economic level, what will happen?
    I'm having difficulty trying to vizualize what this "opposition" would entail. The global economy is one big machine. Try to take a bite out anywhere, and it will bite back, HARD.
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    ooo, i wat i mean wat that when american companies in general face further competition. For instance, gm vs. toyota. what happens when technology spurs throughout the rest of the world faster then the u.s.? wouldnt it be better to nationalize the ecnomy? wat would be the consequences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KONTAKT ERA
    ooo, i wat i mean wat that when american companies in general face further competition. For instance, gm vs. toyota. what happens when technology spurs throughout the rest of the world faster then the u.s.? wouldnt it be better to nationalize the ecnomy? wat would be the consequences?
    Well let's see. Some examples of nationalized economies: Soviet Union; India, before last couple of decades; Britain before Thatcher; China before the capitalist craze; much of Africa; much of South America. Hm, doesn't look like a very good track record to me. As far as GM goes, the problem there is not so much the competition as the fact that GM is hindered by massive and in some cases insane liabilities in workers compensation. If you have ever heard of the Jobs Bank, you know what I mean by insane. If you haven't, look it up. The best thing for us to do as the rest of the world catches up is loosen up a little, allow Americans to compete as we have shown ourselves capable of in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KONTAKT ERA
    wouldnt it be better to nationalize the ecnomy?
    Never. Ever.

    Nationalized economies are poisonous to themselves and others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    It doesn't matter how many guns the citizens have, it's not going to help you if they are on the side of the tyrant.
    If the people are on the side of the tyrant, and the tyrant is in power, why would the people want to replace the tyrant that they've sided with?

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    dalem,

    Never. Ever.
    not always. as japan's MITI and quite a few other east asian countries (taiwan, singapore, south korea, and even china) have shown, nationalization of certain industries can prove to be important for jumpstarting economic growth.

    however, once the economy grows more complex, then, nationalization becomes bad, yes.

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    Redundant Argument

    Geography is important, but it is becoming redundant. Think about it, Toyota has a huge presence in US/Canada and Ford, increasingly seems to be moving out. Even more redundancy in service/tech side of the economy.
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