While we're on the subject of women's rights in Islam, can a Muslim woman marry who she wants?
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Originally posted by Asim AquilAnd we've covered how Mohammad cannot be considered as a pedophile, if yes to fit some sort of basic definition, but sinister it was not.
The problem with interpretation is that two people with absolutely no agenda and an honest, open heart can interpret the SAME EXACT SENTENCE in many, many different ways.
Religion is the great divider IMO.
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Inheritance is usually distributed according to the will. You have full right to grant your daughters an equal share.
There are two meanings the quranic verse. One that give them half a share. 2nd, YOU HAVE to give them at least half a share. There's been much debate on the issue, people follow whatever they feel like.
There is some confusion on the woman as half a witness. Pakistan thus does not make it mandatory to follow Shariat courts.
O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things.
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Originally posted by shekWhile we're on the subject of women's rights in Islam, can a Muslim woman marry who she wants?
I would say it's a matter of interpretation myself. Nuts or not, lucid or not, those Hadiths are out there. Are ALL Hadiths by that author dismissed out of hand by the Imams? Or just the parts they don't like?
The problem with interpretation is that two people with absolutely no agenda and an honest, open heart can interpret the SAME EXACT SENTENCE in many, many different ways.
Religion is the great divider IMO.
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Originally posted by Asim AquilAgain you're blaming ALL Muslims.
Originally posted by Asim AquilVast majority? Prove it. Grab any 10 Muslims on the street even if a simple majority (6/10) would be blowing up themselves then I'd rest my case.
Originally posted by Asim AquilAgain the debate here is not of what they're doing, the debate is whether or not Islam is making them do any terrorism. We have the Quran. If you'd read the entire Surahs they're not talknig about gutting non-Muslims, instead its all only about self-defence.
Originally posted by Asim AquilYou're jumping from issue to issue like clutching on to straws.
Of course i don't accept you conclusion...
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Originally posted by Asim AquilOnly if you go looking for the problems. Religion unites a whole lot more than it divides. A religion thats still widely in practice that is.
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Originally posted by Asim AquilDefinitely. Marriage without consent is not recognized. Even if forced, she can anull it, if she claims she was forced."So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
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Originally posted by M21SniperWell talk about a blatant mis-representation of an argument...
I said "the VAST MAJORITY of Xtians" don't blow themselves up. Please pay attention to what i type.
Oh nonsense, there are many parts of the Koran that outright call for the killing or punishment of infidels.
Even if i accepted that conclusion i could merely counter it by stating that you defend Islam blindly and cannot admit any fault among your own.
Of course i don't accept you conclusion...
You see if you won't be specific about whom you're hating on, then I'd just presume you're another one of the desperate blame delegators for why they're so hateful. Remember thats been my main complaint with you, from day one, you're entitled to your opinions otherwise.
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Originally posted by M21SniperReligion has killed and enslaved more people in history than any other manmade cause.
Islam accepts Christianity and Judaism, but why was there a need for Islam? As per Islamic beliefs it was because people went stray from their paths. That's human nature. Terrorists could be todays versions of the peolpe who've strayed?
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html
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YUSUFALI: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Al-wise.
PICKTHAL: Allah chargeth you concerning (the provision for) your children: to the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half. And to each of his parents a sixth of the inheritance, if he have a son; and if he have no son and his parents are his heirs, then to his mother appertaineth the third; and if he have brethren, then to his mother appertaineth the sixth, after any legacy he may have bequeathed, or debt (hath been paid). Your parents and your children: Ye know not which of them is nearer unto you in usefulness. It is an injunction from Allah. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
Here is the verse that spells out the double inheritance rule. I know that there are other verses and hadith that further explicate all this fractional math that hurts my head, but to my knowledge, none of them change the formula that males receive double the inheritance as females.
Also, while you can will up to 1/3 of your estate, that this cannot be used to give the Quranic inheritors more than their Quranic share.
Moreover, it is unlawful and invalid to make a bequest (Wasiyya) in
favour of an individual who automatically is entitled to receiving a
share of the estate, such as one’s spouse, children and parents, etc.
The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said in his
historic sermon (khutba) of his farewell hajj (haj al-Wada’ ): “Verily
Allah has given each rightful person their right, thus there is no
bequest in favour of a inheritor.” (Sunan Tirmidhi, no: 2120, narrated
by Sayyiduna Abu Umama al-Bahili)Last edited by Shek; 21 Apr 06,, 18:26."So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
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As I said there's much debate on the issue.
These words came onto Man when women got zilch. So could it be describing that women will get a share as opposed to half a share?
Read it this way "Male will get just that of what two females get". This is binding onto the deceased even if he says "nothing for my daughters" he can't do that. That's the practice in Pakistan. Whereas he CAN legally give equal shares to all the heirs. Sparten would know better as a law student.
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Originally posted by Asim AquilIts lawful but highly discouraged. For both, men and women. Forbidden to marry a Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, Parsi, etc.
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YUSUFALI: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.
PICKTHAL: Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.
SHAKIR: And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.
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YUSUFALI: This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
PICKTHAL: This day are (all) good things made lawful for you. The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them. And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honour, not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.
SHAKIR: This day (all) the good things are allowed to you; and the food of those who have been given the Book is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them; and the chaste from among the believing women and the chaste from among those who have been given the Book before you (are lawful for you); when you have given them their dowries, taking (them) in marriage, not fornicating nor taking them for paramours in secret; and whoever denies faith, his work indeed is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3
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Originally posted by lahori Paa jeeThese are questions about religion which we are not supposed to answer. We can never answer them and are forbidden to think such things
The point I am making is that you can be a religious person, but you do not have to be a sheep. Just because a man (and that is all that these Clerics are) is presumably well-studied in theology does not make him the voice of God. How the Koran is interpreted is ultimatley up to the millions of Muslims, not the small number of Clerics. If the masses of Muslims choose to follow the edicts blindly that is their choice. Many Catholics get abortions and use birth control and I have little doubt that many Muslims have an occasional drink and treat women as more than household pets.
I am a very religious person, but I do not go to Church. My cousin is a Russian Orthodox Priest and I respect the years he spent studying theology, but that does not give him license to tell me what to do. The problem with formal churches is that they demand conformity to their rules.
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