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    Quote Originally Posted by Capsoda View Post
    Buy this time the other Marines had inflated a rubber boat and our gear was coming down in a wire mesh tray being lowered by cable.
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    Hell of a story. Was wondering why the CRRC wasn't already inflated before it was dropped in the water. It's basically a Zodiac, and just like the civilian version, there are 3 ways to inflate it: compressor, foot pump or CO2 capsule. In the water, the first two are out and the 3rd...well, it seems odd to commit to the water risking a dud capsule when you don't have to.
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    Details are important, for example I claim to be a 19K and before that a 19E. Now If I didn't know what the Jesus pin, master blaster, or el uncouple were I would as Ricki said. "have some plexaining to do".

    Others here also claiming to be in my former line of work would raise eyebrows and ask other questions like why is chalk important in an MBT, have I ever suffered through heart break and agony, what were my units and when, when did I go to NTC etc. Stuff that can all be checked and vetted.

    So far your rich on fluff and poor on details. Now I am not calling you a liar, but my eyebrows are raised, and I am the nice guy. Here that cracking sound, that is the ice under your feet. We need those details. Not mission specific per se, but operational details that are dead give aways between warriors and chairborne rangers.

    I gotcha...you mean like all the Hollywood stuff they use now days. Keep in mind that I was in the USAF and not a Marine so a lot of the fancy abbreviations don't mean squat to me but I was a T46550E Weapons Specialist. I think they call them Weapons Technicians now days. It is kind of like the new Navy Camo Fashion Statement uniform.

    I started with the 61 TFW in the 63 TFS as a ramp tramp loading slicks (plain old bombs) on F4Es which were the cream of the crop at the time. Then the F4Ds rolled in and I loaded SUU 23 (12 ft gun pod containing a 20 MM M61A1e 6 barreled gattling gun that held 1200 rds that it spit out at a rate of 4 to 6 grand per minute) and slicks on them. They also put us through LS on the big shineys, B48, B57, B61s that make the big mushroom shaped clouds. Loading those was cool, no loan zones and all that.

    I got tired of being a ramp tramp and to a sabbatical with the AC 130 Boys. Now that was cool. I was lead gunner in a AC 130A Specter but only for a short time. I spent a couple of months on an AC 130 E Pronto and then on to the H which was the new Specter.

    There were periods of of heavy fire in my gun ship career that caused some leg, shoulder and foot damage that put me on the ground so I finished my time walking around with the marines as a FAC. I never trained as a FAC or called in even one air strike but was more on loan as an Electronics and Communications Specialist or ECS. All the gunship and ECS stuff was out at Hurlburt Field back then (15, 16 and 17 SOS). Now they are scattered everywhere.

    I was the operator of a satphone, A PE6 Sender/reciever and a British radio called a Clandestine that weight a ton. I had NVRF glasses and Asdic meter and 12 sensors. These were my toys. I also carried an M16A2 and a British SW 38. I have an uncanny natural ability with weapons that I inherited from my dad. I can hit things and it is easy. I don't collect or carry but I do have a few here at home just in case.

    After fun with the Marines I went back to the peaceful like as a ramp tramp and shortly after to Load Standardization. I helped to bring the F16 into the AF inventory working with General Dynamics. From there I was the last selected training Instructor in the USAF and I was sent to Lowery AFB in Denver Colorado to work for ATC.

    I spent 5 years at Lowery AFD in Denver Colorado and wrote the training program for the 462 Weapons Specialists course that was taught at there .

    After 5 years teaching the doc found that the bullet that past through my left foot had nicked a bone and I had Chronic Osteomyelitis, a nasty little bacteria that lives of the calcium in the bone. They made me a retired civilian and 9 years later had to amputate my left foot and ankle. Since then other damages I received while on active duty have reared their heads and here I sit typing on the forum. I was retired for injuries received while on active duty at 100%. Since I have been diagnosed with PTSD but I do fly the sofa now and again.

    We used different initials back then and it wasn't all SATRAP 113 bogie at 1 o'clock like on TV but we did OK.

    If you have a direct question send me a PM through the forum and I will send you my phone # and would be glad to palaver with you.
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    Ok, your post raises some more questions and provides few answers.
    In an earlier post you said your time with the marines was before 1980. yet in the post above you claim you carried an M16A2, which was not introduced into the army until 1982-3. Asdic is a name for ASW technology etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zraver View Post
    Ok, your post raises some more questions and provides few answers.
    In an earlier post you said your time with the marines was before 1980. yet in the post above you claim you carried an M16A2, which was not introduced into the army until 1982-3. Asdic is a name for ASW technology etc....
    The M16A2 was first put into use in 1978 (I didn't say anything about the Army) and Asdic is acoustic sonar. The type that the AF used comes with little squids that when inserted into the soil will sent signals to the receiver letting the operator know that targets are coming. It is also carried by aircraft and used for locating vehicles like the ones that the Army uses so that they can be eliminated.

    You see...I was there all those years ago when everyone thought all was quiet on the western front. All sorts of new tech was coming on line. Bombs with lasers instead of cameras, Glasses that would allow you to see at night and didn't weight a ton. Little things like that. What is common in today's military and each individual carries was large and bulky back when I was in and only one person carried it. That way everyone else could do their job without wrestling with all that heavy bulky crap. My job was to carry it. Just ideas and experience that shaped today's military.
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    This is one of the most fascinating threads I've ever read on this board, and that's saying something. Thank you very much for the stories gentleman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capsoda View Post
    The M16A2 was first put into use in 1978 (I didn't say anything about the Army)
    Going into bad cop mode

    Do you have a source to back up this claim? Because your flat out wrong,


    and Asdic is acoustic sonar. The type that the AF used comes with little squids that when inserted into the soil will sent signals to the receiver letting the operator know that targets are coming. It is also carried by aircraft and used for locating vehicles like the ones that the Army uses so that they can be eliminated.


    Asdisc is anti-sub and is sonar based and was developed by the UK. While the US military does indeed use remote sensing, on land it uses seismic sensing to detect the passing of vehicles and troops or microphones to listen for them.

    Instead of bowing out peacefully you decided to double down. This was a bad move. Unbeknown to you a former marine brought you to attention. They way you described things were dead wrong. Not the kind of differences that might exists between commands, but the type of wrong that leads to mission failure.

    I suggest that they next forum you invade under false pretenses you do so with a bit better mission planning. Did you really think you's past muster in a forum populated with vets? This place isn't your local VFW where failing memories, freely flowing beer and a vets natural acceptance of other vets give you a smoke screen. This forum has devoted to tearing into complex issues and really looking at them. You story didn't sound right, it was pointed out and now I am laying into you.

    1. You claimed a SF background- most commonly faked
    2. Your details were "fuzzy"
    3. your operational description was WRONG
    4. Your Time Line is WRONG
    5. A real vet who is widely respected called you out to other vets.

    These add up to you becoming what is known as a chew toy

    Now I might be wrong, and what I think is about to happen to you might be an injustice, but the integrity of the server comes first and no apologies about it.

    For others seeing this, learn from it. You don't have to be a vet, let alone a combat vet to gain acceptance here. Good posts, insightful thoughts and camaraderie are all you need. However, if you decide to fake a back story then beware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capsoda View Post
    The M16A2 was first put into use in 1978 (I didn't say anything about the Army)
    Sorry, but as Zraver said, that's flat out wrong, by at least six years.

    1981: With the approval of a joint service Rifle Product Improvement Program, fifty experimental M16A1(PIP) are ordered for testing. These rifles are later designated M16A1E1.

    November 1981: Colt delivers fifty M16A1E1 for testing.

    September 1982: The M16A1E1 is officially type-classified under the designation M16A2.

    November 1983: The M16A2 is type-classified as "Standard A". The USMC places an initial order for 26,028 rifles.

    January 1984: The first 1,500 M16A2 rifles are delivered to the USMC Marksmanship Training Unit at Quantico for use in matches.
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    Capsoda,

    I was in the first Fleet Marine unit to get M-16A2s. That was around March of 1985. And we were the first service to get them, so you didn't bring it over from the AF.

    Here are other things that tell me your story is BS.

    The Marine Corps has their own FOs we don't have attachments from the USAF to do it for us. Its part of the 0861 Fire Support Specialist job. I know this because its one of the MOSs I held while in the Corps.

    Same with your sensor operator. That is a Primary mission of the recon units. Not the "Hollywood" stuff And they are trained in employment of all the neat little ground sensors. We also had, during the time you claim to have been doing it for the Corps a Ground Sensor unit in every MEF.

    Ditto with SatCom. Don't need a AF guy to do one of their basic jobs.

    Your helo/boat insert description was about as wrong as a Football Bat, as was your little story about seeing the "Doc".

    As per your last post. Someone with a disability to their leg shoulder and foot is not going to a "Joint billet" with the Corps to any unit Especially not a recon unit. We don't accept, and neither would any service, another groups limp, lame or lazys.

    Bombs with lasers were being used, by the USAF in the late 1960s in Nam.

    And the B-48 isn't an air dropped nuc. Its the warhead in the 155mm warm to the touch round.

    I could go on and on but so far your post have been nothing but weapons grade bullshit.

    Next time you post a story like your last few, do us all a favor and start it with "Once upon a time" the proper beginning for fairy tales.

    I know why you referenced a counselor from AmVets. You gotta prove combat time to be a member of the VFW, wouldn't make it through the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatter View Post
    Sorry, but as Zraver said, that's flat out wrong, by at least six years.
    Let see. Zraver asks me to tell him a funny story. He was fishing for exact details and I won't give because I have my reasons. Next he Wikipedias me to death with all these facts he looks up which "are always right". I used my memory which is right to my recollection and I am lying by omission. I got 100% disability for this lying by omission and the fact that Wikipedia is correct. How many weapons are in use right this very minute that are experimental or that you just plain don't know about. All these dates you look up and come back with are only correct because you found them and read them or because you were there when they were used. I stated that I was in the USAF and not a Marine or proficient at their jargon and nomenclature. They were also not great with mine and my Air Force ways. I operated the electronics and they operated the weapons. They let me operate my weapon on occasion. Plus...what kind of dumb ass would sign up on an obviously professional military filled forum just to blow smoke.

    As for bad cop mode....I was there and I did what I did and I saw what I saw. Want a pic of where my foot used to be...a copy of VA medical records on the bullet holes and plinks in my thigh??? I didn't take notes or keep any operating manuals. I'm not reading books and watching movies for facts I am just telling a story. Mine. I don't know when the Marines or Army tested what or where. I didn't draw any equipment from them other than Marine Camos. Everything else was issued by the USAF.
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    To follow up from GG, as a former ground commander, I'd never take someone from another service (or my own service for that matter) on a sensitive recon mission using a specialized insertion technique (the fact that you made it out to be daylight is highly suspect as well) that hasn't trained with the unit or come with special skills my unit didn't have. The fact that you weren't a trained special operator, let alone trained in waterborne insertion techniques, would be an instant no-go. The margin of error for small units operating far from support/reinforcements is not enough to chance on an outsider without the proper background/training.

    Futhermore, as GG stated, if you had a knee and shoulder injury, the last thing that you'd be doing is humping 75-100lbs of commo equipment behind enemy lines. You simply couldn't cut it, no matter how mentally tough you are or are not. Additionally, it would be entirely irresponsible for any chain of command to send you on a mission for which you weren't formally trained for with a physical liability (your injuries).

    There's some other discrepancies, too, but the above are fatal enough for my opinion on the veracity of your MacGyver Rambo story. Maybe you did serve, but not in the capacity that you have claimed to here. I'll give you a hint - if you want other service members to believe claims of super high speed stuff, reveal it much more slowly and in a manner such that you want to be just one of the guys and not the person on the pedestal. Wait a few hundred posts and then drop a pebble here or there. That would be like all the high speed heroes that I personally know and/or served with in other capacities. In fact, that'd probably too forthcoming, but at least it wouldn't arouse suspicion so quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capsoda View Post
    Let see. Zraver asks me to tell him a funny story. He was fishing for exact details and I won't give because I have my reasons.
    Your the one who claimed to be a 2x special operator in 2 totally unrelated feilds

    Next he Wikipedias me to death with all these facts he looks up which "are always right".
    I used your own words


    I used my memory which is right to my recollection and I am lying by omission.
    A1 vs A2 is pretty extreme you wouldn't confuse them of you were familiar with them, since I used both I am.


    I got 100% disability for this lying by omission and the fact that Wikipedia is correct.
    we don't know that your disabled, or if you are how. We do know the reputation we have earned for WAB and that comes first.

    How many weapons are in use right this very minute that are experimental or that you just plain don't know about.
    The first refuge of the faker is the nah nah nah I know better than you without sources.


    All these dates you look up and come back with are only correct because you found them and read them or because you were there when they were used.
    second mistake of the poser is assuming things about the other guy.

    I stated that I was in the USAF and not a Marine or proficient at their jargon and nomenclature. They were also not great with mine and my Air Force ways. I operated the electronics and they operated the weapons. They let me operate my weapon on occasion. Plus...what kind of dumb ass would sign up on an obviously professional military filled forum just to blow smoke.
    You'd be surprised, its bad enough that the US had to pass the Stolen Valor Act. if you do a bit of research you'll find most posers claim to be operators. You claim to be an operator during a period when the US was quite emphatically not operating. The military was still in the rebuilding stage from the dual whammy of Vietnam and then the transition to an all volunteer force. On top of this the Commanders in Chief (ford and Carter) were very dovish. Carter had 2 black ops- Iran rescue and Afghanistan. You said the target wasn't Iranian and Afghanistan does not have a coast so....

    As for bad cop mode....I was there and I did what I did and I saw what I saw.
    The problem is lack of details. For example, I say my armor unit transitioned to M1IP's from M60A3TTS at Yakima in 1991. Some one else asks me about Squaw Tit, I reply and add details like Uptanum Ridge, the then newish table 8 range and the small WWII era wood shack mess hall and the goat farm in front of the post. The other person who has been there now knows that I have been there as well.

    Details are like a background check, people who didn't do it never get them right. its little things like the sound the M1 makes when it fires up, the caution about the breech lever on the side of an M68 cannon in an M60A3. Life in pup-tent city at Irwin and the unforgettable tickle in the throat from CS gas, and yes me arms are open and my eyes are flapping drill sergeant.

    Want a pic of where my foot used to be...a copy of VA medical records on the bullet holes and plinks in my thigh???
    Those would establish your vet.

    I didn't take notes or keep any operating manuals. I'm not reading books and watching movies for facts I am just telling a story. Mine.
    That is the third time you've assumed your antagonists are drawing on something other than personal experience.

    I don't know when the Marines or Army tested what or where. I didn't draw any equipment from them other than Marine Camos. Everything else was issued by the USAF.
    the problem isn't who issued it, but what you claimed you were issued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capsoda View Post
    How many weapons are in use right this very minute that are experimental or that you just plain don't know about.
    Oh please This isn't OXCART or HAVE BLUE we're talking about here. The A2 was an evolutionary development of an existing small arm. Hardly the sort of ultra-black program that doesn't surface for a good 5-10 years after it's started.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capsoda View Post
    All these dates you look up and come back with are only correct because you found them and read them or because you were there when they were used. I stated that I was in the USAF and not a Marine or proficient at their jargon and nomenclature.
    That's right and I'm still calling BS on your confident assertion that the A2 was introduced into service in 1978. One minute you're positive of your facts and then next minute you're suffering from poor recollection.

    Seriously man, these guys have already torn your stories to shreds. Why not just come clean and be done with it?
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    Dude, I've got nobody to back up my claims, cause nobody here's been in the IDF like I was, but after a while people get to know you and know what you're saying is true. Hell, I was here even before I joined the IDF... Anyone who's been there can tell about someone else who's been there, and can immediately tell who wasn't there.

    Could be you were in the AF and are repeating a story told to you by a friend, or just making things up as they go along, but one thing you got to understand about all the friendly folks here at WAB is that they don't tolerate idiots. If you got something smart to say and say it right, people will listen. This is a board about World Affairs, not just the military. However, if you start off by blowing steam out your ass and then challenging other, well established members, you're well on your way to a swift kick in that smoke-producing hind end of yours.

    If you got something decent to say, I'm always willing to listen, but don't go around spreading bull$hit.
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    Pepsi (USS Pensacola, LSD-38) again:

    This ends up funny, or at least I think it does, but it doesn't start that way. It will meander. Bear with me.

    Earlier I intentionally made the Pepsi sound like a sort of Paradise afloat. It sure as Hell became one, but wasn't at first. But then, about 2 months into my tenure aboard, we had a major event that changed everything, & that part of the story just illustrates how much leadership quality determines performance.

    Our Captain when I got aboard (long dead now) was a little guy & elderly for a commander (O-5). He wasn't a particularly effective officer & a very diffident guy, dominated by our XO, who was a dour bully. I don't mean the standard management technique of Captain = good cop, XO = bad cop. I mean that the Captain let this guy get away with garnering favor with chunks of the enlisted crew, behaving more or less neutrally toward the rest while bullying those officers, warrants & senior POs who didn't suck up. Sort of a tall, saturnine Caligula. Or a sane Queeg.

    Neither the Captain nor the XO was much of a boat driver, either. Our 1st Lieutenant ('way different position on a ship, y'all groundpounders) was, but he was one of the XO's victims. He also had The Deck to run, & that was a bitch with all the favoritism floating around. You'd be surprised at the sort of things corpsmen get to hear.

    As a result, even though the ship was new construction, it was a mess.

    Fortunately, Battlin' Bob Callan, Rocketman Larsen & I became sort of instant mates & a badass team, & HMC Willie J. Coleman, our boss, didn't give a shit about anything but performance. He also had a look, could bend large cars between his fingers &, like many of the guys aboard, had been a riverine. The XO left him alone. Gator Navy.

    THE EVENT:

    The Pepsi had gone over to Norfolk Harbor to pick some stuff up & we were steaming out. We were all down in the "Corpsmen's Stateroom" doin' our thing when the collision alarm went off. Somebody said (might have been me), "Hey. They didn't say 'Now, This is a drill, this is a...'"

    BWONNNNG!!!


    It knocked all sorts of shit off the chart desk (including a framed picture of Mary that @#$%& broke), off the chairs with stuff on them, knocked down our reference library & just about knocked us out of our racks. Sounded like a big bell, & reverberated just about the same way.

    We grabbed our "Unit 1s" (shoulder bags with medical supplies) & tore up to the main deck where we found chaos, a bunch of fall injuries (including two that were pretty bad) & a large commercial fishing trawler sitting next door to us listing & down by the bow. Turned out later that we had an 83-foot dent in our hull. I guess it hit us. Huh.

    Sickbay was pretty busy for the next few hours. The rest of the squadron was still in Little Creek. We got our guys & some of the fishermen. MedEvac'd our head traumas, the worst of the broken bones & all the fishermen. Sewed a bunch of people up & passed out pain meds. Since Motrin hadn't been invented at that time (this to you, Grape) the poor unfortunates had to make do with morphine). Well, some of them. The rest got Darvon, which was some major-league useless shit. Lots of dressings. When I got back on deck the trawler was gone.

    Scuttlebutt took various forms. It had sunk. No it hadn't. It made it into the military wharves under its own power. It went back to its original wharf under its own power. It had to be towed in. One crewman had died. Two crewmen had died. One of our crew had been killed (nope). The Captain had been on the bridge. The Captain hadn't been on the bridge. The XO had the con (not likely), etc, etc. We were later officially told that the trawler had "suffered major damage." No questions answered, & newspapers later didn't help much.

    Shortly thereafter, we had a change of command ceremony. We retained the XO, but, as it turned out, that didn't hurt any. Our new Captain was a guy named Robert Ramsey. He was also a commander but had been "frocked." Naval air wing, either fighters or fighter bombers, had the DFC & was an astronaut selectee. If I'm lyin' I'm dyin'. Word was that he was headed for rear admiral as soon as a billet could be found or made & he needed the sea command.

    He was also a rather small skinny guy but was muscular, mean & not remotely diffident. Naturally, he was immediately renamed "Roger Ramjet" by the crew. Don't know if he knew that, but probably. Seemed to know everything else. Smart as shit.

    In about 15 minutes after extensive department head interviews & a bunch of flying fur the boat became a totally different place. The officers & senior petty officers were happy as clams, had their divisions in good order, even most of the ex-favorites were OK with the regime change & the Pepsi was running as slick as a greased dick. If the XO didn't like it, he didn't say anything about it. Furthermore, Captain Ramjet was one badass boat driver. Helmsmen thought he was great.

    CHANGE OF COMMAND & REFLECTIONS UPON THE NATURE OF NAVY UNIFORMS

    But I had originally intended to describe the CoC ceremony. Well, no I didn't, & I won't. I'll describe my urgent problem at the time.

    I loved the Navy but I wasn't exactly, uh, "squared away." I have a physical handicap. I can't see wrinkles. Not only that, but I can't see them coming. I can't get my head around their importance. This is well known to Mary, &, fortunately, discounted. This was also well known aboard. Especially by Willie J. I can do immaculate sutures. I can even shine shoes pretty well. But I fold cloth like old people fvck.

    The CoC ceremony was to be in Autumn. That meant dress blues. Mine were in my sea bag, & had never been out of it since, say, Philadelphia. Hell. Maybe since boot camp. I got married in a civilian suit. Not only that, they hadn't been placed in the sea bag in an orderly fashion in the first place. Several years of inappropriate static cramming in a sea bag will turn wool felt-like material into something really weird.

    I tried various solutions, especially those provided by BM1 Reed, our old-school Deck Division Popeye, & they worked. To an extent. However, the crease on the old-style 13 button Navy Blues is unique. It's medial/lateral, not ventral/dorsal as in human pants. Furthermore, it's also concave, not convex. Not even the cumshawed use of a steam press in the Marine barracks ashore helped much. Just before the ceremony I noticed the stapler on the chart desk. Eureka!

    So I turned the things inside out, as I had done many times before while trying to press them conventionally, & stapled the crease in. Worked great.

    So. After the ceremony was over, in comes Willie J. He says, "Hey you guys. Thanks. You really looked sharp. Even you, Doc."

    I was pulling off my pants while he was congartulating us, so I turned them inside out & started popping out the staples.

    Darkness at noon. "Fvckin Cooper." )

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    prof, great sotry. I don't know how it is in the navy, but Army CoC ceremonies are long drawn out affairs. The worst are divsional change of command. Me, I am a tanker with a side line as mechanic I am not and never have been infantry. Yet for the CoC I had to get all spified up carry a rfifle and actaully affix an unsheathed bayonet to it.

    Now, the idea of packing a bunch of guys in close order, putitgn them at attnetion and then leaving them there (or at parade rest) in the texas heat of Ft. Hood seems to be a numbers game. Some one with rifle+bayonet is going to lock thier knees and pass out. Luckily it wasn't me, and maybe nobody did.

    However I missed the oh so riveting speeches becuase all I could do was wonder if it was going to be me (not falling I know better than to look my knees) but me who was going to be fallen into.

    After divsion change of commands, company and battalion suck the most. Sinc ethe commander owns every piece of kit and has to sign for it everything has to be laid out on the gorund and physically counted. Its time consuming, and if you lsot something expensive if they can't find a way to write it off. However of the 2 MOS's I'd rahter do it as a tanker than a hull systems mechanic where every wrench, socket and other tool has to be physically counted.

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