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echo Dalem's comment.
both - when taken with their crews - are head and shoulders above anything they are ever likely to meet in anger.
Tanks are usually rated on firepower, mobility and protection.
The Chally main armament is very good with plenty of potential to fire future natures. It can also do bombardments because of it's rifled gun. Split ammo is safer but takes longer to load than the M1 one-piece. The M1 smoothbore defeats anything at present but would need a longer barrel to get faster projectiles. Infantry suppression is woeful on the Chally whereas the US have a total of three MGs and may be fitting a remote weapon system for the commander.
The M1 wins hands down on mobility; it has a very powerful and reliable gas turbine which drinks like a fish but just goes on and on. Compare that to the train engine in the Chally. Chally can go much further on a tank of fuel, and even further with it's extra fuel drums.
The bow of the M1 seems invulnerable while the sides are are weak. numerous M1A1 were lost to RPG attacks and i saw a SDG chally2 that took 8 direct RPG hits and a milan hit and still fought on. the only chally lost was due to a blue on blue incident from another chally2 (and that was a mess). Chally has a questionable bow-hence the ERA-but has fabulous add-on Dorchester on the sides. You are more likely to survive a turret strike in the Chally due to it's split ammo stowage and it's electric gun kit; ie no hydraulic fluid to explode.
Hope I haven't missed/misrepresented anything as it's been a while since I've been near a tank.
(Nearly forgot; Chally has a boiling vessel. )
with thanks to ObnoviousJockGit and ArmySurplusSpecial for the technical gubbins....before criticizing someone, walk a mile in their shoes.................... then when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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Originally posted by dave angelnumerous M1A1 were lost to RPG attacks and i saw a SDG chally2 that took 8 direct RPG hits and a milan hit and still fought on.
Both the M1A2 and Challenger 2 have successfully defeated dozens of RPG-7 rounds per tank.HD Ready?
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Originally posted by HistoricalDavidHm? The M1A1 is more analogous to the Challenger 1.
Both the M1A2 and Challenger 2 have successfully defeated dozens of RPG-7 rounds per tank.
STAFF http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...tions/m943.htm
scrool down for TUSK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
more TUSK http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...031005.00.html
C4ISR http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2002apbi/puzzuoli.pdfLast edited by Shadowsided; 20 Mar 06,, 22:34.
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The Challenger 2 is world famous for it's armour and as you may know the only thing what has been proven to destroy a Challenger 2 is.....another Challenger 2.The M1A2 Abrams can't last a single RPG round...or was that the earlier Abram model,The British sold some of the Challenger 2 armour to the US but i don't think they've put it on their tanks.
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The M1A2 SEP has 150m of armor added to it's glasis, it has 450m of armor on the turret and hull. With TUSK it's a bad boy who's momma is out to lunch.
The M1A2 SEP has stopped multiple RPG rounds.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...round/m1a2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1A2_Abrams
I'm not going to sit here and droll out all this info, we know specs, we are allies? Why on God's green earth are we squabling over this......again?
Both tanks have something very in common. The Chally was born from the MBT-60 program and the M1 from the MBT-70, both joint ventues in which the Germans helped. So basically samething different additions and requirments.sigpic
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Originally posted by Weps View Posthe Chally was born from the MBT-60 programRule 1: Never trust a Frenchman
Rule 2: Treat all members of the press as French
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Originally posted by SuperTrooper View PostThe M1A2 Abrams can't last a single RPG round...or was that the earlier Abram model,The British sold some of the Challenger 2 armour to the US but i don't think they've put it on their tanks.
BTW, has any member of this board been inside both AFVs? If so, what differences stand out?All those who are merciful with the cruel will come to be cruel to the merciful.
-Talmud Kohelet Rabbah, 7:16.
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Originally posted by Weps View PostThe Chally has alot of tech off the MBT-70 on it.Rule 1: Never trust a Frenchman
Rule 2: Treat all members of the press as French
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