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What if: Western Allies vs Russia- 1945
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Originally posted by Prosto ILyaFar more experience? In the beginning of the war USSR subs were much less advanced (almost full copy of a Germa older subs). Still, they managed to sink Nazi ships and evade sophisticated mines. At the end of the war, many subs were reconstructed and upgraded – and experience of their crews was more than high.
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Originally posted by Prosto ILyaTo 1945 there were almost no Soviet solder who never smelled gunpowder. Accordinf to our documentary movies and historical books. And that is not communist propaganda.
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Originally posted by PraxusSo your saying 20 million dead is a "valuable... historical lesson"? There's nothing to learn from, if you don't know that killing 20 million innocent people is wrong, then one would have to question your sannity.
Originally posted by PraxusOh and please, don't try and change the subject
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Interesting. All I sad that any country has enough grim and catastrophic facts in history. And make an example.
Originally posted by PraxusCommunism is nothing more then primitive tribalism. It seeks to destroy the national Government and put in it's place miniture "Workers Councils". Furthermore, it completely ignores the facts of reality.
Originally posted by PraxusOh so you mean the people had no control in the matter and we're completly under the command of the government.
Hmm sounds fimiliar. Ohhh thats right, SLAVERY!
Originally posted by dalemOh well. Enjoy your version of history.
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Originally posted by lwarmongerGermany killed a lot of Russian soldiers, and if you look at the casualty rates, and the number of new troops inducted, and the average amount of training that those new troops recieved, the Russian Army was not as all conquering as your history of the Great Patriotic War has led you to believe.
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Originally posted by Prosto ILya20 million dead is valuable historical lesson. Such lesson prevents further casualties. Such lessons shows the horrors, that never be forgotten. Yes – this is very valuable lesson
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Interesting. All I sad that any country has enough grim and catastrophic facts in history. And make an example.
Facts of reality of modern society. Society changes with time.
Slavery - A system of enforced servitude in which people are owned by others and in which enslaved status is transferred from parents to children. the state of being under the control of another person.
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Originally posted by PraxusIf you view it as a "lesson" then you view it as a practicle matter and not a moral one. I say again, if you don't know it's wrong to kill 20 million people and you need 20 million people to die to prove it, then quite frankly your fundamentally irrational.
Can you show me my post, with following words “don't know it's wrong to kill 20 million people and you need 20 million people to die to prove it”?
Al I said, that death of 20 millions is a valuable lesson, that prevents such terrible things in a future.
Originally posted by PraxusNo you tried to change the subject to American history. You’re saying, "Well my country wasn't the only one with a brutal history". Well guess what, that's irrelevant to the fact that Soviet Russia was EVIL.
And 72 years of Russia was Totaly Evil only for West. Soviet Russia gave to Russian culture great actors, writers, and heroes.
Originally posted by PraxusA system, which rejects man’s requirements in a society, is bound to fail. Man's nature is unchanging as long as man is man. As I said before Communism has no basis in reality.
Originally posted by PraxusWow, sounds awfully like life under Soviet Russia. Are you trying to agree with me here, I'm confused?Last edited by Prosto ILya; 02 Mar 05,, 17:44.
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Originally posted by Prosto ILya“Question my sanity”,” fundamentally irrational”… Next time, I guess, you will spit in a monitor.
Can you show me my post, with following words “don't know it's wrong to kill 20 million people and you need 20 million people to die to prove it”?
Al I said, that death of 20 millions is a valuable lesson, that prevents such terrible things in a future.
My country has almost 1000 years old history. During this time, there were tremendous acts of brutality.
And 72 years of Russia was Evil only for West. Soviet Russia gave to Russian culture great actors, writers, and heroes.
A Communism major rejection – a superiority of one human over others. Man’s natures changing greatly, with evolution of human mind and soul and developing new ways of technology.
Wow! I sense a mega-expert! How long time of your mortal existence you spend in Russia? Or all your knowledge bases on “documental” movies and scary stories of emigrants?
Can you tell me for example, do you consider Imperial Japan a bad thing? If you do, how do you know, you've never been there.
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Originally posted by PraxusWhy would you say that 20 millions death is a valuable lesson? If you think it's a valueable lesson then obviously you think some people need to be shown just how terrible it is to kill 20 million people. Oh and genious, I never said that you were irrationall, only the people that you imply need a lesson to stop from killing 20 million people.
Gosh. I said that, that 20 millions is valuable lesson – because it’s HISTORICAL valuable. And now, now one will ever (I hope) will build a communism same way as those Lenin-Stalin –and-company did. As no one (I hope) will never bring inquisiton back to live, or star to prove that one nationality superior to other. That is my only point.
Originally posted by PraxusWould you ever call a Nazi a great hero? Of course not! So why do you call people who are just as evil "great heros"?
Heroes of the Soviet times – Gagarin, Titov, Leonov, Korolev, Matrosov, Marinesku.
Solders, Cosmonauts, Engineers. They are Heroes. People who are as evil as Nazi – are people who are as evil as Nazi. I never said, that they were heroes.
Originally posted by PraxusMan's nature is that which gives man his identity. What seperates him from the animals. Reason is what seperates us, and the fact that we must reason to survive is unchanging, no matter how much technology evolves.
Originally posted by PraxusSo now I have to be Russian to judge how evil Soviet Russia is. Tell me then, how can you ever come to a conclusion about any country, by your standard without being there. Can you tell me for example, do you consider Imperial Japan a bad thing? If you do, how do you know, you've never been there.
I prefer no to come to any conclusion about any country (I thought, that in my previous posts I never did it). And I don not consider an Imperial Japan total bad thing (explanation for mega-experts – that phrase does not mean, that I adore Japan air forces attacking Pearl Harbor, invasion China ) – I do not have enough knowledge about this matter. But still, I prefer to know opinion of Japan citizen, read historical documents written by both of opposite sides before jump to any conclusions.
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"USSR failed and West “wins” thanks to one man. USA citizen likes to say “Thanks Reigan”. Hardly. Thanks to Michael “The Traitor” Gorbachev."
With delusion like that i can not help but to feel that it won't be too long before we're calling the Reds our enemies again...
Gorbachev saved your little tin-pot empire from utter economic ruin.
Idiot.
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"Originally Posted by stratadmir
Plus the US navy was ar more superior to the USSR and the UK was more superior
According to whom? At the end of war USSR has more than enough submarines with war trained crews."
Wow, you truly are delusional.
There is NOTHING the Russians could've done to stop the USN in 45.
Nothing.
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Originally posted by M21SniperWith delusion like that i can not help but to feel that it won't be too long before we're calling the Reds our enemies again...
Originally posted by M21SniperIdiot.
Originally posted by M21Sniper"
Wow, you truly are delusional.
Originally posted by M21SniperThere is NOTHING the Russians could've done to stop the USN in 45.
Nothing.
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Do you have any clue whatsoever as to the size and scope of the USN during the end of WWII?
Obviously, the answer is no.
Just answer me this comrade...how many Carriers could the US have commited to the N.Atlantic after VJ day?
Hint: It's over 100.
BTW, ole' Gorby saved the lot of you from utter economic ruin(barely).Last edited by Bill; 03 Mar 05,, 12:27.
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