Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

You mock our prophet, we burn your embassy...

Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    In the U.K. it's probably illegal to appear military style and provocative.

    Anyone remember what happened after a fake story about a Koran and a toilet?

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by astralis
      ...the actions of an idiotic, militant few do not a whole religion describe.
      To all appearances it seems like the militant few , are those who are setting the agenda.
      The silent majority is either "silent" or ineffective!
      When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin

      Comment


      • #33
        **** them

        assholes they earn a living from that land and openly threatens to burn them down.

        **** them.
        What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
        The ones in the casinos are serious.

        Comment


        • #34
          Originally posted by astralis
          because, bluesman,

          the actions of an idiotic, militant few do not a whole religion describe.
          Bluesman's opinion is possibly the opinion of the vast majority of the world.

          It is not that Bluesman or anyone (including me) is against Islam per se. It is just that it is the reaction at the abject impotence displayed by the "silent majority" in Islam, who totally believe in Milton's words, " they also serve who stand and wait".

          One can argue that what can the common Moslem do? Very correct. He can do very little individually.

          However, he can organise resistance to the idiotic violence, including beheadings and kidnapping that has been released by the "idiotic militant few".

          The fountain head of Islamic political policies as an Islamic group of nations, the OIC, can not only condemn the violence, but also organise total drying up of funds for the terrorists. It is obvious that the individuals are not personally going and handing the money to the terrorists. It is being done through "charitable" institutions including the misuse of 'zakt'.

          Therefore, to my mind the "idiotic militant few" are not the idiots. They have an agenda and they are pursuing the same most diligently and efficiently.

          The "idiotic few" are actually the "silent majority" since they flounder impotent!

          Their impotence and their pious platitudes are what rankle and that is what generates the reaction of the vast majority of the world, including me.

          None is against the religion itself!

          If they were, then the Crusades would not have ended!



          Last edited by Ray; 06 Feb 06,, 10:25.


          "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

          I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

          HAKUNA MATATA

          Comment


          • #35
            Originally posted by Ray

            ,,,Therefore, to my mind the "idiotic militant few" are not the idiots. They have an agenda and they are pursuing the same most diligently and efficiently.
            The publication of those ill-conceived and thrice dammed caricatures have played right into the hands of those you call the "idiotic militant few".
            Whatever atrocity they carry in the near future, they can now justify as revenge for the affront to their religion.
            Ever further deepening the divide between Muslim and non-Muslim.
            No, they are certainly not idiots!
            When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin

            Comment


            • #36
              Originally posted by Amled
              The publication of those ill-conceived and thrice dammed caricatures have played right into the hands of those you call the "idiotic militant few".
              Whatever atrocity they carry in the near future, they can now justify as revenge for the affront to their religion.
              Ever further deepening the divide between Muslim and non-Muslim.
              No, they are certainly not idiots!
              This post brings the whole problem to its crux.

              The problems with the Muslim world right now cannot be fixed by the west or europe no matter how much or how hard they try. Infact their very attempts will likely only backfire against them. The only people who can fix this are the people of the middle east.

              The west and europe are in completely alien terroritory when dealing with arabs and muslims in general they operate on a different set of rules and principals from us. If for example Iraqi's wanted to be liberated they should and need to do that on their own, or at the very least have started the liberation on their own. Having the western world getting involved just allows the west to become a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the Iraq and the middle east in general.

              Muslim's don't always value what we value, for many of them their religion is more important then freedom, or democracy or even their lives.

              I think the problem that created the current situation comes down to oil, the Arabs have it an everyone (for the moment) wants it. Its creating a massive influx of cash which the arab countries have traditionally never had and their governments arn't equipped to handle responsibly.

              I think the west and europe need to take a hands off approach and basiclly cut contact as much as possible with middle eastern countries and stay out of what goes on there until such time as their governments and societies mature and advance a little farther along.

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by canoe
                This post brings the whole problem to its crux.

                The problems with the Muslim world right now cannot be fixed by the west or europe no matter how much or how hard they try. Infact their very attempts will likely only backfire against them. The only people who can fix this are the people of the middle east.

                The west and europe are in completely alien terroritory when dealing with arabs and muslims in general they operate on a different set of rules and principals from us. If for example Iraqi's wanted to be liberated they should and need to do that on their own, or at the very least have started the liberation on their own. Having the western world getting involved just allows the west to become a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the Iraq and the middle east in general.

                Muslim's don't always value what we value, for many of them their religion is more important then freedom, or democracy or even their lives.

                I think the problem that created the current situation comes down to oil, the Arabs have it an everyone (for the moment) wants it. Its creating a massive influx of cash which the arab countries have traditionally never had and their governments arn't equipped to handle responsibly.

                I think the west and europe need to take a hands off approach and basiclly cut contact as much as possible with middle eastern countries and stay out of what goes on there until such time as their governments and societies mature and advance a little farther along.
                Fervently disagree. 'Hands off' is exactly what the Bad Guys need to solidify.

                We've got to stay engaged.

                And Ray is precisely correct: if all we had to deal with were the guys in those pictures, we'd have done with the whole mess by now. But the implicit approval of the rest of their community makes me feel that this religion is TOXIC.

                Until I see massive rallies in the heart of Copenhagen, London, Nablus and Baghdad telling me the true nature of Islam IS NOT dangerous...I will advocate defending ourselves with all due vigor from this guy:
                Last edited by Bluesman; 15 Dec 06,, 18:12.

                Comment


                • #38
                  Originally posted by astralis
                  because, bluesman,

                  the actions of an idiotic, militant few do not a whole religion describe.
                  The same could have been argued for the Japanese. It matters more what those are controlling the masses think rather than the actual masses. Most will use the "I was jsut following the orders of my cleric" card. No offense to any muslims, but until there's a fatwa to ignore all further fatwas and think for yourself, I will be a little weary of Islam. It's far too easy for a cleric to abuse power.
                  F/A-18E/F Super Hornet: The Honda Accord of fighters.

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Bluesman
                    Fervently disagree. 'Hands off' is exactly what the Bad Guys need to solidify.

                    We've got to stay engaged.

                    And Ray is precisely correct: if all we had to deal with were the guys in those pictures, we'd have done with the whole mess by now. But the implicit approval of the rest of their community makes me feel that this religion is TOXIC.

                    Until I see massive rallies in the heart of Copenhagen, London, Nablus and Baghdad telling me the true nature of Islam IS NOT dangerous...I will advocate defending ourselves with all due vigor from this guy:
                    First off I'm not suggesting you can't defend yourselves, but 90% of the stuff the U.S is involved in with middle east right now has nothing to do with the defence of the United States, aside from Afganistian which for the record I fully support you on. If the U.S or a close ally is attacked or in immedate threat of attack by all means do whatever is needed to protect and defend yourselves.

                    The Iraq war is another issue given that wasn't self defence for the U.S. After all was said and done, no WMD's were found and Iraq's military posed no real threat to the U.S and the result of the war has seriously undermined the integrity of the U.S internationally. Engaging in unprovoked military action against another indepedant country is not something I typically would have associated with the U.S before now.

                    While I agree Iraq will *likely* be better off in the long run you can't go around arbitrarly liberating countries as you see fit and not expect there to be consequences for you later on down the road if things don't work out the way you expect. Whatever happens in Iraq now for good or bad is now the complete responsibility of the U.S and history will judge you based on what happens.

                    And since the U.S went into Iraq the opinion's of people in the middle east have decidedly turned more against Amercians then ever before. So if your fighting for the hearts and minds of the middle east the current strategy your employing is on the macro scale is failing in the middle east.
                    Last edited by canoe; 06 Feb 06,, 14:44.

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Not just us, did you ever take note that Islam is also at war with Russia, China, and India?

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                        Not just us, did you ever take note that Islam is also at war with Russia, China, and India?


                        India is not at war with moslems or islam, but with pakistan who is using islam as disguise in its unholy war against India.
                        Hala Madrid!!

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          If they want to die in the name of their god, oblige them.

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                            Not just us, did you ever take note that Islam is also at war with Russia, China, and India?
                            Yah, I know the extremists are at war with pretty much every nation not run by Muslim's. But my point is before the Iraq war the extremists were a far smaller group less popular group. But with the jihad superbowl going on in Iraq their overall public support has been increasing. And the radicals are definately making the U.S their primary target right now.

                            Well cept for the Demark, but I have a feeling them may fold to the pressure on this. I'm already hearing, freedom of speech needs to be limited coming outta some of the European and Canadian news agencies.

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Officer of Engineers
                              If they want to die in the name of their god, oblige them.
                              To search, identify, discriminate between civies and hostiles, then kill every single arab in the world who expresses at least a little interested in going to jihad against the U.S could get prohibatively expensive.
                              Last edited by canoe; 06 Feb 06,, 15:14.

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                I find it hard to believe that Europeans and Canadians are feeling apologetic. There is no way the end result will be a ban on pictures of Mohammed.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X