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This to me is still insufficient to explain why 2003 and at such a price? Why the urgency? The only thing that makes sense to me is this was a grudge war, more like what will happen to Iran if she does not back down. This was unfinished business from 1991.
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It makes complete sense to spend a couple trillion $$ and precious lives and assets to militarily secure oil worth a hundred billion dollars.
Right? I mean, why bother simply buying the oil on the open market from Canada, Mexico, or the other OPEC nations, when you can spend 10X that amount, and then let Iraq sell the contracts to non-U.S. oil companies.
Clear as mud.
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Originally posted by Chogy View PostIt makes complete sense to spend a couple trillion $$ and precious lives and assets to militarily secure oil worth a hundred billion dollars.
Right? I mean, why bother simply buying the oil on the open market from Canada, Mexico, or the other OPEC nations, when you can spend 10X that amount, and then let Iraq sell the contracts to non-U.S. oil companies.
Clear as mud.
Well, at least Iran as a different story. Right?Winter is coming.
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Last edited by USSWisconsin; 20 Mar 13,, 17:15.sigpic"If your plan is for one year, plant rice. If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years, educate children."
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Originally posted by USSWisconsin View PostSadam tried to kill his dad.
Dangerous Minds | Dying vet’s ‘fuck you’ letter to George Bush & Dick Cheney needs to be read by every American
I have always found that argument to be tenous for justification to start a war.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostWould you forget someone who tries to take a swipe at your dad?
If the thousands of US soldiers who were sent to Iraq had been sent to Afghanistan instead, the Taliban would have been history by now.
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostWait, so he used the US Armed forces to carry out a personal vendetta?
Originally posted by Firestorm View PostIf the thousands of US soldiers who were sent to Iraq had been sent to Afghanistan instead, the Taliban would have been history by now.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostThe Soviets had a even bigger footprint in Afghanistan and they too got tired of bleeding.
The US is there to get rid of the Taliban and AQ. Anyone Afghan who doesn't belong to those groups is ostensibly on the side of the US. The US commitment in Afghanistan suffered because their attention got needlessly diverted to the war in Iraq. Had that not happened, the situation might have been different now.
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Originally posted by Firestorm View PostThe Soviets were there to occupy and rule.
Originally posted by Firestorm View PostThey had the whole country against them and the US was arming and supplying the resistance.
Originally posted by Firestorm View PostThe US is there to get rid of the Taliban and AQ. Anyone Afghan who doesn't belong to those groups is ostensibly on the side of the US.
Originally posted by Firestorm View PostThe US commitment in Afghanistan suffered because their attention got needlessly diverted to the war in Iraq. Had that not happened, the situation might have been different now.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostAnd did we ever see Mujahadeens with M16s or even M60 tanks? The one exception were the STINGERs but if you look at the actual kills, it was not a game changer.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostSir, Given such a case, often possibly enforced along tribal lines, are you suggesting that Afghanistan is 'unconquerable' by a foreign power?
Originally posted by snapper View PostIf so to what extent would this also be true of Pakistan?
Originally posted by snapper View PostIn the same way and due tribal allegiance to what extent is Iraq (with the added sectarian and ethnic divides) or Libya 'governable' democratically? Should some countries simply be split up?
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostNo, I'm saying very few men could do it. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Khan, Timur are those men. Such men are a rarity, even in Afghanistan.
Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostIt's not our jobs to stop them from doing what they want to themselves.
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