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firestorm,
Really? Maybe the American left is far more fucked up than I thought.
That Vox journalist goes to great lengths to label the Jacobinites as everything except what they are: frickin commies.
in any case the point i was making is that yeah, there's crazies out there whom think Sanders is a barely tolerable social democrat and that if they had their druthers they'd have guillotined most members of Wall Street already. i personally think that this is a pretty good warning sign to the right; you want to call Obama a communist, dude, you should check out the real thing, and your extremism is empowering the other.
ugh.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Apparently Mr Cohen was in the habit of recording his conversations. Now the FBI has his tapes. Wonder if there are any convenient gaps? ;-) This is getting messier by the minute. I would love to be a fly on the wall with the FBI 'taint team'. Pity they won't be able to tell us the good stuff.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/172367...bi-trump-tapes
I swear this Administration couldn't get any weirder if Trump held a press conference sitting on a green unicorn.sigpic
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostWould you mind posting the exact wording of this reg you are talking about. I want to see where the word predicated crime is in it.
The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and -
Note the word crimminal
Rosenstein doesn't mention the word crime, criminal or any related word in his letter apointing Mueller.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...el-Russia.html
Its an open ended fishing expedition that violates the law. Here is the DOJ reg in question
All such investigations, however, shall be based on reasonable factual predicate and shall have a valid law enforcement purpose
https://www.justice.gov/archives/ag/...e-and-domestic
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much like the entire idea of impeachment, this discussion of legality has little meaning because removing or keeping Mueller is wholly a political decision.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by zraver View Post600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.
The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and -
Note the word crimminal
Rosenstein doesn't mention the word crime, criminal or any related word in his letter apointing Mueller.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...el-Russia.html
Its an open ended fishing expedition that violates the law. Here is the DOJ reg in question
All such investigations, however, shall be based on reasonable factual predicate and shall have a valid law enforcement purpose
https://www.justice.gov/archives/ag/...e-and-domestic
Thanks.Trust me?
I'm an economist!
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Originally posted by zraver View Post600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.
The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and -
Only 600.1 pertains and as I knew predicated wasn't there but an addition by you. So looking back over all the previous special councils one can see pretty much the same thing. They were appointed to "determine" if a criminal investigation was in order. Much like a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury obtains documents, reviews evidence, and interviews sworn witnesses to determine if there is enough probable cause to believe that one or more people have committed a crime. Then they refer for prosecution. That is my understanding based on a friend who was foreman of a local Grand Jury for two years.
Seems to me that the Special Council is the same as the Grand Jury. As such he was appointed to investigate if there was any collusion between the Trump people and the Russians which could be criminal. Grand Juries do the same on a local scale such as a councilman and developer. The word crime isn't mentioned because the job is to determine "if" a crime has been committed. Mueller is doing exactly that as per his appointment. He is obtaining documents, reviewing evidence and interviewing sworn witnesses to determine probable cause. If sworn witnesses lie to him oh well they should have known better. If he runs across other criminal activity in his review of evidence then he refers out to the proper authorities as in no way should he ignore it.
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Originally posted by tbm3fan View PostI eliminated the rest as it doesn't pertain.
Only 600.1 pertains and as I knew predicated wasn't there but an addition by you. So looking back over all the previous special councils one can see pretty much the same thing. They were appointed to "determine" if a criminal investigation was in order. Much like a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury obtains documents, reviews evidence, and interviews sworn witnesses to determine if there is enough probable cause to believe that one or more people have committed a crime. Then they refer for prosecution. That is my understanding based on a friend who was foreman of a local Grand Jury for two years.
Seems to me that the Special Council is the same as the Grand Jury. As such he was appointed to investigate if there was any collusion between the Trump people and the Russians which could be criminal. Grand Juries do the same on a local scale such as a councilman and developer. The word crime isn't mentioned because the job is to determine "if" a crime has been committed. Mueller is doing exactly that as per his appointment. He is obtaining documents, reviewing evidence and interviewing sworn witnesses to determine probable cause. If sworn witnesses lie to him oh well they should have known better. If he runs across other criminal activity in his review of evidence then he refers out to the proper authorities as in no way should he ignore it.
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Originally posted by zraver View Post600.1 Grounds for appointing a Special Counsel.
The Attorney General, or in cases in which the Attorney General is recused, the Acting Attorney General, will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted and -
Note the word crimminal
Rosenstein doesn't mention the word crime, criminal or any related word in his letter apointing Mueller.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...el-Russia.html
Its an open ended fishing expedition that violates the law. Here is the DOJ reg in question
All such investigations, however, shall be based on reasonable factual predicate and shall have a valid law enforcement purpose
https://www.justice.gov/archives/ag/...e-and-domestic
He invoked §600.1, period. Where does it say he has to then quote §600.1 verbatim in order for it be applicable?
Oh wait, what's this?
"(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters."
Your argument is, frankly, both farcical and preposterous.
Not unlike this Administration, appropriately enough.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by zraver View PostUnder the current law the previous two special councilors were impaneled after actions that could have clearly broken federal law Waco (homicide).
Or are you just puling this stuff from your 4th point of contact?
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostSo the whitewater investigation had to do with Waco? Or was Vince Foster at Waco? Please connect the dots. And how did any of these things tie into lying about a BJ in the White House if the Special Counsel is limited in scope?
Or are you just puling this stuff from your 4th point of contact?
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostYes I see the word criminal in §600.1. And no, Rosenstein doesn't mention the word "crime" in his letter appointing Mueller (or does he?). Where does it say he has to do that?
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