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    The difference is the emergence of strong leaders...

    The difference is the emergence of strong leaders in China while Putin was late to the game. Out of the internal strife, China put forth Zhou and Deng. Russia put forth Yeltsin. There was absolutely...
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    And Zhou En Lai and his protogie won that Civil...

    And Zhou En Lai and his protogie won that Civil War and Deng won two more Civil Wars after that and crushed internal dissent with an iron fist that would have made Stalin proud.

    Russia was barely...
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    Are you kidding me? If anything, it was even more...

    Are you kidding me? If anything, it was even more fucked up. 1990s Russia was not even a shadow of the USSR that was there just a year before. Beijing lost a client. Moscow lost the entire country.
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    The cost was also 30,000 lives; China effectively...

    The cost was also 30,000 lives; China effectively surrounded; and be the very good little boy to both the US and the USSR. Hell, China even had to cancel the sale of 8 J-7s to the USN AGGRESSOR...
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    I think you're forgetting the timeline. This is...

    I think you're forgetting the timeline. This is just 8 years. Hell, just 6 before all the mess in the Ukraines happened. That's barely enough time to put up a factory, tool it, and begin production...
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    That was BEFORE he became a demonstrated threat...

    That was BEFORE he became a demonstrated threat to the US with a big time grudge.

    Sure you could and it's been done and being done. Set up a civil war and let them kill each other for generations...
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    Here's the main one. Saddam signed and broke the...

    Here's the main one. Saddam signed and broke the terms of surrender. That's automatic war no matter which country you're talking about. Victor or defeated.
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    I question your assertion that Putin would have...

    I question your assertion that Putin would have been better off by diversifying his economy. In fact, I argue if he followed your suggestion, he would have been worst shape setting up the Russian...
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    The Dragoon Rides are mere dog and pony shows. No...

    The Dragoon Rides are mere dog and pony shows. No one is abandoning the agreement with Russia that the big NATO powers will not station permanent troops in Eastern Europe.
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    Things change. China would rather see a nuclear...

    Things change. China would rather see a nuclear armed North Korea than a united Korea under American control. China no longer see a prosperous united Korea allied with the US as a good thing since...
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    Like I believe that will last. 1997, both Georgia...

    Like I believe that will last. 1997, both Georgia and the Ukraines sided with Russia and gave the go for Russian paratroopers to fly through their airspace ... with popular support. Again, without...
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    I see the big picture you don't. Without NATO...

    I see the big picture you don't.

    Without NATO membership, both the Ukraines and Georgia MUST adhere to Russian security concerns, translation: beg Russia not to attack.

    We're talking...
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    And yet, the US got the Ukraines and the Georgia...

    And yet, the US got the Ukraines and the Georgia to commit to reforms to NATO standards. From everybody's POV, that was a backdoor attempt to get the Ukraines and Georgia in. Even the Ukrainians knew...
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    This is the first time that Seoul acknowledges...

    This is the first time that Seoul acknowledges it's overmatch strength against the North.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37331852

    Implicit in this comment is that Seoul can destroy the...
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    I'll take that up. NATO expansion is stopped...

    I'll take that up. NATO expansion is stopped cold. Both Georgia and the Ukraines will not get NATO membership if only because it would be military suicide to do so. Both Georgia and the Ukraines...
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    Yes, let's look at the strategic picture. The US...

    Yes, let's look at the strategic picture. The US was actively seeking Ukrainian and Georgian NATO membership over the objections of France and Germany to the point that they tried to get around them....
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    Can't do it. You can't stop Kim from going self...

    Can't do it. You can't stop Kim from going self destruct.
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    Someone looking to join the dinosaur league.

    Someone looking to join the dinosaur league.
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    During this entire thread, I was expecting...

    During this entire thread, I was expecting someone, anyone, who can prove Saddam was NOT A THREAT!
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    Who the fuck cares? At some point, you pissed us...

    Who the fuck cares? At some point, you pissed us off!
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