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    A stable Iraq that supports Iran may be a good...

    A stable Iraq that supports Iran may be a good thing for the Iraqi's, but not the United States. The Iraqi government is, fortunately weak right now, and that limits its usefulness to the Iranians. ...
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    But who is there to take their place? This is...

    But who is there to take their place?

    This is where Mubarak's suppression of so much of civil society is now manifesting itself in all sorts of negative ways.
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    I understand your point that influence is...

    I understand your point that influence is fleeting sir, and I agree. Which is why I think the US should seek to roll back Iranian influence wherever possible. As far as being an Iranian proxy......
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    Instead it has essentially become an Iranian...

    Instead it has essentially become an Iranian proxy, whose ability to brutalize it's Sunni and Kurdish population is limited only by it's weakness. Personally, I don't consider that much of an...
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    The United States certainly didn't. How many...

    The United States certainly didn't. How many billions of dollars and thousands of lives did we throw away to hand that country to the Iranians? Far too much and too many.



    I will grant you...
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    The Iranian's profited from our removal of Saddam...

    The Iranian's profited from our removal of Saddam Hussein. They shipped weapons and trainers to kill American soldiers in Iraq and keep us bogged down there. After our withdrawal they moved into...
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    And Iran was about ready to run the table all the...

    And Iran was about ready to run the table all the way to the Mediterranean... this was an opportunity to turn the tables that is too good to pass up. Until Turkey is willing and ready to step up to...
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    I don't think the jihadis have the ability to win...

    I don't think the jihadis have the ability to win outright in Syria. If the US middle of the road's this right (which is what I think we are trying to do), jihadi's and Iranians will be tied down in...
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    Zraver, what you are saying would be an excellent...

    Zraver, what you are saying would be an excellent point if it weren't for the Iranians. Short a deal between the US and Iran though, it is in America's best interest to see Assad gone, even if the...
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    I think that the fears that the Gulf States have...

    I think that the fears that the Gulf States have of Iran are more because of capabilities rather than proven intentions. The Iranians are Shia. They have a broad based government. They have a...
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    I would also assume there was the support of the...

    I would also assume there was the support of the government influencing that as well. In most cases I don't think the US really cared. Prussia, France and England had vested interests in...
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    The nature of our 4th estate (the press) these...

    The nature of our 4th estate (the press) these days combined with the lack of a well defined strategic competitor means that descriptions of American actions in geopolitical terms are harshly...
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    One other thing to understand. I come from a...

    One other thing to understand. I come from a very pragmatic approach to war fighting. You do what works. You create as honest as possible of an assessment of the enemy's strengths and your...
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    I believe that the Arab fear of the Iranians is...

    I believe that the Arab fear of the Iranians is quite real. Iran, Turkey and Egypt have the largest populations in the Middle East. For all the smaller Arab nations, Iraq was a shield that is now...
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    I would argue though that the line of reasoning...

    I would argue though that the line of reasoning you're using would hold Britain and France equally responsible for the bloodshed in WWII as Nazi Germany was.

    I don't think that American or Saudi...
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    I disagree, but it is the least likely outcome. ...

    I disagree, but it is the least likely outcome. I think it is about as close as a genuinely Muslim nation can get to Western democracy.
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    Which is ridiculous... just because they were...

    Which is ridiculous... just because they were road bound was no reason to assume we were.



    They didn't strongpoint up though, they set up a fortified line forward that was hollow by the time we...
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    Yep this is what I was talking about.

    Yep this is what I was talking about.
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    I don't buy that. We claim that we don't, and in...

    I don't buy that. We claim that we don't, and in reality we don't, but we want Syria as an Iranian proxy or Syria as a unified Sunni Jihadist state even less. If the desire was to minimize...
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    Well in you are absolutely correct there, but I...

    Well in you are absolutely correct there, but I think there were certain inferences that the Iraqis could have drawn just based off of what they knew of history. First, they knew that the US would...
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